
NASCAR was born 75 years ago today at a hotel in Daytona
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adminDecember 14, 1947 was a Sunday afternoon. Yes, most of the men who gathered in Daytona Beach, Fla. on that chilly, gray day were dressed in suits. But no, it was not a church service. Far from it. There was entirely too much brown liquor on the table and cigar smoke in the air for that. However, it was a christening. The roll-your-quarters beginning of a billion dollar business, 75 years ago today. The birth of NASCAR.
That Sunday was the first of four days of meetings attended by a revolving door of nearly 40 businessmen, promoters, race car owners and race car drivers. You’ll notice that “bootleggers” is not included in that list of occupations. That’s because pretty much all of them were, from white lightning dabblers to downright moonshine titans, they just didn’t want anyone to know it.
“The way y’all remember it now was like the pictures we took, that we were this cleaned-up-looking bunch of men who knew exactly what they were doing,” recalled attendee Raymond Parks in 2007, three years before his death and ten years before his posthumous election to the NASCAR Hall of Fame. “In reality, we were a bunch characters all there hoping to straighten some things out. If we didn’t, fine, we’d go back to do what we were doing before. But it certainly worked out. At least for some folks it did.”
Welcome to the Ebony Room
It was a rough-hewn continental congress of racers, summoned to the space-themed Ebony Room, a rooftop lounge atop Daytona’s still-new art deco show palace known as the Streamline Hotel, a venue then best known for hosting Al Capone and his wise-guy cohorts as they migrated south during World War II.
The curious attendees showed up having accepted an invitation, really a challenge, via an advertisement placed in the de facto bible of American motorsports, Speed Age magazine. That ad had been placed by a Daytona Beach businessman and racer-turned-promoter named William Henry Getty France, aka “Big Bill”.
Recalled Parks: “That’s the nickname you get when you’re 6-foot-5 and you’re around race car drivers all the time, because race car drivers are typically little people.”
France had spent the prior decade rising from house painter and gas station owner to part-time racer and, eventually, the overseer of racing on Daytona’s famous super-fast white sand beaches. The two years after the end of WWII saw veterans returning home from Europe and the Pacific who immediately sought their post-war thrills behind the wheel. From coast to coast, they raced their street cars over country roads, around self-plowed oval racetracks and yes, on the beach course operated by “Big Bill”.
France, frustrated by what he perceived as condescension from AAA and the IndyCar crowd, went so far as to start his own sanctioning body in 1947. He called it the National Championship Stock Car Circuit, or NCSCC, racing under his penned phrase “Where The Fastest That Run, Run The Fastest.” Problem was, all of those racers scattered all over the nation had also started their own stock car series, from the American Stock Car Racing Association to the National Stock Car Racing Association to the poorly titled Stock Car Auto Racing Society — SCARS.
Every one of those series employed their own convoluted points systems and every rulebook was different, but none of that mattered because rules were essentially unenforceable. A spaghetti pile of names and cars, run by an unintelligible alphabet soup of sanctioning bodies, ensured constant chaos that allowed shady track promoters to rob racers blind and kept any would-be race fan from having any clue as to who, what and where they should be watching.
“Every track and every area has a ‘national champion’ of every type of racing,” France declared to the Ebony Room as his guests took their seats. “This has so confused sportswriters that they give up in disgust after trying to give the public an accurate picture.”
Bill France Jr., aka “Bill Junior” and son of “Big Bill,” explained: “It was all a big mess, and my father knew it, but so did everyone else.”
He did so during Daytona Speedweeks 1998, the kickoff of NASCAR’s 50th anniversary celebration. His Winston-burned voice pushed through a tour guide’s microphone as he led a media bus ride around town. That tour had stopped in front of the Streamline, and “Bill Junior” was pointing to the rooftop.
“It didn’t take much convincing to get those guys to show up here and see if they could straighten it out,” he said. “It wasn’t the most educated, sophisticated bunch of men, but they were all smart. Smart enough to know that they could all benefit if it got organized.”
The bulk of the attendees were locals, but they also came from Atlanta and North Carolina, from New England and New Rochelle, N.Y., from as far as deep into the Midwest. The buttoned-up and the dressed-down, representing nearly every corner of the United States from the right side of the Mississippi River.
But the room was filled with as much distrust as it was smoke. There were open arguments punctuated by whispers. Group discussions laced by secret one-on-one asides. A lounge full of alpha males found it difficult to agree on what their race cars should look like or even what to call their new organization.
The man who bankrolled the meetings at the request of France was Parks, already a legendary car owner with racers Lloyd Seay, who was dead, and Roy Hall, who was in prison. But the man who’d made his fortune in real estate and cars, not to mention gambling houses and moonshining, was so skeptical of the happenings inside the Ebony Room that he initially refused to sit at the table with France and the others. Parks chose instead to sit at the bar with a couple of female students from a local charm school that “Big Bill” had brought in for the meetings.
“I wanted it to work. Heck, I paid for everyone to be there. But until I saw that everyone there was actually serious about it, I wasn’t buying in,” Parks said on the 60th anniversary of the Streamline meetings. “By the second day, Red and Red assured me that there was progress being made, so I went in there, too.”
‘Next thing you know, NASCAR belonged to Bill France’
The first Red was Red Byron, who drove for Parks. The second was Red Vogt, who built Parks’ cars. Like everyone else in the room, they were blown away at how “Big Bill” took charge of the proceedings. He’d opened the first day with a rousing call to arms.
“Nothing stands still in the world. Things get better or worse, bigger or smaller.” He kicked off day two of a hangover by setting a blue collar tone. “Stock car racing has got distinct possibilities for Sunday shows. I would allow race-minded boys that work all week who don’t have enough money to afford a regular racing car to be competition to the rich guy. It allows them the opportunity to go to a racetrack on Sunday and show their stuff and maybe win a prize …”
France wanted stock cars. Right off the street. Raced on dirt and, whenever possible, on Sundays. There was some opposition, but not much. In fact, “Big Bill” seemed to allow just enough arguing to make those in the room believe that they were making the decisions and not him. That even went for the organization’s new name. Byron suggested National Stock Car Racing Association. Vogt suggested National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing, which France liked because “NASCAR” rolled off the tongue. After Byron’s name won in a 7-4 vote, France reminded that there was already a NSCRA in Georgia, and perhaps they’d like to think about it. They revoted. This time, NASCAR won.
“‘Big Bill’ should have been a politician,” explained longtime Charlotte Observer motorsports scribe Tom Higgins, himself a NASCAR Hall of Famer, in 2017, about seven months before his death. “His invitation list to those meetings was just the right mix of friends versus foes. And when they closed those meetings with officer elections, which also determined who got the most shares of ownership, who do you think convinced them to give Bill France Senior the first presidency of NASCAR and the most shares? Bill France Senior, that’s who!”
It was true. The man who would later brag, “I can hold my board meetings in a phone booth” left the Streamline Hotel on Dec. 17, 1947, with the title of NASCAR president and 50% of those shares. Not knowing yet what they had signed over, the group posed for the now-famous photo of their meeting in the Ebony Room, “Big Bill” having smoothly positioned himself at the head of the table.
As Parks liked to say with a shake of the head and he-got-me grin, “Next thing you know, NASCAR belonged to Bill France.”
A new age, a new Streamline
France’s belief in one-man rule has proven wise beyond his 82-year life, which ended on June 7, 1992.
NASCAR was formerly incorporated on Feb. 21, 1948. The winner of its first race and championship was Red Byron, driving for Parks in a car prepared by Vogt. But, oddly enough, none of that was in a stock car. The postwar lag in streetcar production out of Detroit forced NASCAR to start by racing in ’48 using fender-less Modifieds, with the Strictly Stock division finally taking the green flag in Charlotte on June 19, 1949.
“Big Bill” reigned as NASCAR chairman and CEO until handing over the keys to Bill France Jr. in 1972, having survived financial crises, gas shortages, driver strikes and the deaths of multiple superstars. As the sport raced into the 1970s, it began its so-called Modern Era and spent the next three decades on an alpine-like climb.
“Bill Junior,” who died in 2007, was succeeded by Mike Helton as president, followed by Brian France, grandson of “Big Bill,” and since 2018, Steve Phelps. “Big Bill”‘s second son, the soft-spoken Jim France, is now NASCAR chairman. He was only three years old in February 1947. His niece, Bill France Jr’s daughter Lesa France Kennedy, serves as NASCAR’s executive vice chair. Most have their eyes on her son, 30-year-old Ben Kennedy, as the heir apparent to the stock car kingdom.
On Wednesday, they will all gather at the Streamline Hotel for a Founder’s Day celebration. They will toast their stock car racing forefathers in what is now known as the Sky Lounge Bar, the space formerly known as the Ebony Room, now wallpapered with photos of the men who gathered there to burn tobacco, sip amber fluids and draw up the paperwork that started the world’s largest stock car racing series.
That series is experiencing a bit of a rebirth, a reversal of recent misfortune that is much like the Streamline itself. After decades of disrepair, the old hotel vibrates with life. Remember that ’98 bus tour with “Bill Junior”? The place was in such terrible shape that day that he refused to get off the bus and go inside because, “It might collapse on top of us.” Now, after a $6 million overhaul and one Travel Channel “Hotel Impossible” star turn, it has become a Daytona hot spot. When Dale Earnhardt Jr. launched his new vodka line last February, he did so alongside his wife on the same roof where Parks once hung out at the bar with the charm school students.
This year’s Dec. 14 festivities mark the kickoff of NASCAR’s 75th anniversary celebration, with the promise of both eyes on 2023 and beyond, while keeping one foot planted in 1947.
“How cool would it be to go back and watch a race on the beach, right? Having to make sure that you’re trying to figure out when what’s low tide? What’s high tide?” Phelps says of the view from atop the Streamline, looking across Highway A1A at the Atlantic Ocean. “Then I look out my window here at my office and I see Daytona International Speedway. The vision to be able to create this in the 1940s and ’50’s, I mean, it’s just extraordinary. This is what Bill Senior envisioned.”
NASCAR’s fifth-ever president speaks of the sport’s recent gains in television ratings and attendance and the successes of experiments such as racing at the L.A. Coliseum and the raciness — with safety work currently being done — of the new Next Gen car. He talks about the gift of guidance that is his ability to lean on the France family. Then he reminds that one of “Big Bill’s” speeches from the Streamline Hotel, the one about “Stock car racing has got distinct possibilities for Sunday shows …” is displayed across a giant wall in NASCAR’s Research and Development Center in Concord, N.C. A constant, stories-tall reminder of what happened 75 years ago this week.
“There’s a statement that I’ve heard from both Jim France and Mike Helton and that’s where we are … they always say we are stewards for the sport. We need to leave it better than when we found it,” Phelps continues. “Everything we do ladders to that, that North Star. I think that’s helpful. So, when people come to work, when I come to work, we know what’s expected. And it started that day at the Streamline Hotel.”
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‘Everything’s on the table’ for Connor McDavid’s NHL future
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Greg WyshynskiJun 25, 2025, 07:30 AM ET
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Edmonton Oilers star Connor McDavid sat in a news conference days after losing in the Stanley Cup Final to the Florida Panthers for the second straight season. He was peppered with questions about his future, with unrestricted free agency looming in summer 2026 if he doesn’t sign an extension with the Oilers.
The Edmonton media was fishing for any sign that McDavid was committed to the organization and the city, but he wasn’t biting. Someone asked if he had a sense of unfinished business with his teammates after coming so close to raising the Cup, losing in seven games to Florida last season and in six games this month.
“This core has been together for a long time and we’ve been building to this moment all along. The work that’s gone on behind the scenes, the conversations, the endless disappointments and some good times along the way, obviously. We’re all in this together, trying to get it over that finish line,” McDavid said.
Then came the four words that shook a city to its soul.
“With that being said,” McDavid continued, “ultimately, I still need to do what’s best for me and my family. That’s who you have to take care of first.”
It was the first time McDavid even hinted at hesitation about his future in Edmonton. He’s entering the final season of an eight-year, $100 million deal signed in July 2017. Many assumed the ink would be drying on an extension with the Oilers — in what is expected to be the richest contract in NHL history — when he’s eligible to sign on July 1. But McDavid is unlikely to sign that extension unless he is comfortable with the progress Edmonton’s made in improving its roster for next season and beyond.
“I’m not in a rush to make any decision, so I don’t think that there needs to be any timeline,” McDavid said. “I know people are going to look at July 1 and will be looking to see if there’s anything done. But for me, no, I’m just not in a rush in that way.”
An NHL source said that McDavid isn’t committed, at this point, to staying with the Oilers beyond next season. But he’s also not committed to moving on from the organization that drafted him first overall in 2015.
“He’s trying to find reasons to stay, not to leave,” the source said. “But everything’s on the table for Connor right now.”
IF MCDAVID DOESN’T RE-SIGN with the Oilers, it would be an unprecedented moment in the history of NHL free agency. Never before has a generational talent — with multiple MVP awards and scoring titles to his credit — reached unrestricted free agency in his prime.
There might not be a comparative moment in North American professional sports since LeBron James and “The Decision” in 2010 — although given what fans and players have been chanting about McDavid after the Panthers’ second Stanley Cup win over Edmonton, one assumes McDavid won’t be taking his talents to South Beach.
With Stanley Cup contention as his goal, the pool of teams with whom McDavid would consider signing is limited. There’s been speculation about the Ontario native having a homecoming with the Toronto Maple Leafs, still seeking their first Stanley Cup since 1967; that he could join former Oilers GM Ken Holland with the Los Angeles Kings; that the New York Rangers could make him the king of Broadway while easing his goaltending headaches with Igor Shesterkin; or that well-maintained franchises like the Boston Bruins, Colorado Avalanche, Vegas Golden Knights, Dallas Stars and Tampa Bay Lightning could make their pitches.
McDavid is committed to Edmonton for the 2025-26 season. That list of potential suitors could change in that span, depending on their own fortunes.
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After Leon Draisaitl inked an eight-year, $112 million deal last summer — a contract that will keep him in Edmonton until 2033 — many assumed McDavid’s extension would be a mere formality. After all, why would Draisaitl sign without some indication that his close friend and frequent linemate McDavid would do the same?
But sources told ESPN in January that one signing was not a harbinger of the other, and that McDavid would make his own decision independent of Draisaitl’s.
But make no mistake: Draisaitl is a factor in McDavid’s decision. As are defenseman Evan Bouchard, forward Zach Hyman, forward Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and every other core player who theoretically will be in Edmonton for the next several seasons. As McDavid said, the core has been through playoff battles together, and there’s a sense of unfinished business for him in Edmonton.
“We were two games away from winning. Last year, we were two shots away from winning, so the belief is incredibly high in that room,” he said. “We talked about that all throughout the playoffs, and we do believe that this group can win and will win.”
But for all that belief, McDavid wants to understand the plan for how the team can win in the short term and the long term. It’s an essential part of his decision-making process to remain in Edmonton.
He wants to know how a team with just over $10 million in cap space, without much draft capital and the 30th-ranked prospect pool, can make the necessary moves to get over the championship hump and remain competitive. Last summer, that pool of young players got thinner when forward Dylan Holloway and defenseman Phillip Broberg were poached by the St. Louis Blues via offer sheets.
McDavid nodded at that thin prospect pool during his press conference. “It’s not like we have a ton of cap room and we’ve got a long list of highly touted prospects knocking on the door,” he said.
McDavid reiterated: “If I feel that there’s a good window to win here over and over again, then signing is no problem.”
GM Stan Bowman didn’t necessarily agree that pitching McDavid on the Oilers’ window to win was any more vital than meeting his asking price during negotiations.
“I don’t know if you have to sell one thing any more than another,” he said.
But Bowman knows that convincing McDavid of Edmonton’s continuing commitment to win is paramount. When he was hired to replace Holland last summer, Bowman visited with McDavid, who told him that he wanted to win the Stanley Cup.
“That was it. We didn’t talk about anything else. This is his singular focus,” Bowman said.
“I guess it’s my job to connect with Connor and demonstrate that’s what we’re all trying to do. We all have the same objective. I know how passionate he is about winning. It’s what I love about him,” he said. “He’s not just a fantastic hockey player, but he’s a great person, a great leader, and he’s incredibly motivated to do whatever it takes.”
IF MCDAVID ULTIMATELY RE-SIGNS with the Oilers, what he hears from Bowman could determine the length of that contract. There’s a growing belief that McDavid may not sign an eight-year extension like Draisaitl, but could explore something in the three- to five-year range. That would allow him to attempt to finish the “unfinished business” with the core in Edmonton, while reaching UFA status in his early 30s with the NHL salary cap projected to continue its record-setting ascent.
Another reason to believe this could happen is Judd Moldaver, executive vice president at Wasserman and McDavid’s agent. He was the first NHL agent in the salary cap era to seek contracts for superstar clients with significantly less than maximum term. He’s gone shorter than eight years on blockbuster extensions for Maple Leafs star Auston Matthews, with a five-year deal in 2019 and a four-year deal signed in 2023, as well as Columbus Blue Jackets star Zach Werenski (six years, signed in 2021). He could seek to do the same for McDavid.
Matthews had the league’s highest cap hit ($13.25 million average annual value) before Draisaitl’s contract ($14 million AAV) kicks in next season.
McDavid is all but certain to eclipse that. His next contract — at whatever length it ends up being — will range between $15.5 million and $19 million per year on a max deal, multiple sources indicated to ESPN. Anything above Draisaitl’s cap hit would set a new NHL record for highest average annual value in the cap era.
The money will take care of itself. It’s Connor McDavid, the guy with three Hart trophies as NHL MVP, a Conn Smythe Trophy as playoff MVP and five scoring titles. In theory, the contract negotiation with McDavid is essentially a general manager asking how much he needs, and then writing the check.
But McDavid has said that the chance to lift the Stanley Cup is more important than his bank account.
“Winning would be at the top of the list,” he said. “It’s the most important thing.”
The Oilers are confident that, after two trips to the Stanley Cup Final, they offer the best shot at winning for McDavid. But they also offer the comfort of being the only NHL home he’s known.
McDavid and his wife, Lauren Kyle McDavid, have a house in the Parkview area of Edmonton that was featured by Architectural Digest. Kyle McDavid also recently helped open the stylish Bar Trove in Edmonton that features Trove Living, a retail home furnishing store on the floor above it. Her company, Kyle & Co. Design, is located on the third floor of the building.
Given his history with the team and his roots in the city, the Oilers are optimistic but patient with McDavid.
“He’s earned the right for us to be respectful of his timing. Certainly we’re eager to meet with him whenever he wants, but we also understand that he just went through a very tough ending to the season,” Bowman said.
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“Timing-wise, Connor’s going to drive that process, but there’s no question he’s a pivotal player on our team for not just what he does on the ice, but his leadership,” Bowman said. “I’ve had a chance to work with him now and I’ve been just so impressed with things you guys probably don’t see. He’s incredibly important to our group and whenever he’s ready, we’re going to dive into that.”
Near the end of his news conference, McDavid was asked by a local reporter for a message to the fans. The ones that have been on this journey with the Oilers during his time with the team. The ones “wanting to see what exactly happens with your future here” in Edmonton, as the questioner put it.
“My message to the fans would be to keep being patient and keep believing. They’ve been through a lot, just like our team has. The emotional highs, the lows. I look at what these playoff runs do to my family. It’s hard on them. It’s hard on the fans. It’s hard on everybody. But ultimately when that day comes, it’ll all be worth it,” he said. “These moments are tough now. But when that moment comes, it’ll be worth the wait for sure.”
The message wasn’t a passionate commitment to stay in Edmonton nor was it a declaration that his bags are packed for free agency. The message was that a championship will make all the postseason heartache worth the pain. As the NHL offseason begins, where McDavid might eventually win that championship is, at this moment, uncertain.
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Oilers trade Evander Kane to hometown Canucks
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Greg WyshynskiJun 25, 2025, 12:38 PM ET
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The Edmonton Oilers have traded winger Evander Kane to the Vancouver Canucks, clearing valuable cap space ahead of NHL free agency next month.
Kane, 33, has one more year on his four-year contract that carries a $5.125 million cap hit, and Vancouver is picking up his full salary. The Canucks traded Ottawa’s fourth-round pick in 2025 to the Oilers. That pick was actually sent to Vancouver by Edmonton last summer in a trade for forward Vasily Podkolzin.
Kane had a modified 16-team no-trade list. He is a Vancouver native who also played junior hockey in the city.
The veteran winger missed the entire 2024-25 season after multiple surgeries, first to his hip and groin areas and then knee surgery in January. He returned in the Stanley Cup playoffs, scoring 6 goals and 6 assists in 21 games as the Oilers lost to the Florida Panthers for the second straight season in the Final. His main asset was his physicality, as Kane had 44 penalty minutes to lead Edmonton in the postseason.
Kane thanked Oilers players, staff and ownership in a message on X “for believing in me and giving me the opportunity to be a part of such a respected and passionate franchise.” He thanked Oilers fans for “embracing me and showing unwavering support throughout my time in Edmonton.” Kane then said that he’s “incredibly excited for the next chapter of my career” with the Canucks.
“It’s an honor to become part of an organization and team I grew up watching as a kid. Vancouver is a city that lives and breathes hockey, I’m looking forward to the opportunity to play in front of my hometown as I did many years ago as a Vancouver Giant,” he wrote.
As my time with the @EdmontonOilers has now come to a close, I want to take a moment to sincerely thank the entire organization, my teammates, and the incredible community of Edmonton.
To the Oilers Ownership, front office, coaching staff, and trainers-thank you for believing in… pic.twitter.com/huOxax5FxK
— Evander Kane (@evanderkane) June 25, 2025
The Oilers needed to open up salary cap space to improve their roster, but also because two hefty new contracts will hit their books next season: Center Leon Draisaitl’s cap hit goes from $8.5 million to $14 million on a new contract, and standout defenseman Evan Bouchard will also get a raise over his $3.9 million AAV as a restricted free agent.
The trade comes as the NHL is investigating the Oilers for their use of long-term injured reserve on Kane last season, a source confirmed to ESPN, focusing on the second surgery he had on his knee in January. The trade is not expected to affect that investigation.
Daily Faceoff first reported the investigation.
Canucks GM Patrik Allvin said the acquisition of Kane brings toughness to the team.
“Evander is a physical power forward who will add some much-needed size and toughness to our group,” Allvin said. “We like the way he wins puck battles along the boards and handles himself in the dirty areas in front of the net. Evander moves well around the ice and has proven to be a productive goal scorer in the National Hockey League. We are excited to bring him back home to Vancouver and our staff looks forward to working with him this coming season.”
This will be Kane’s 16th NHL season, having played 930 games with the Atlanta Thrashers, Winnipeg Jets, Buffalo Sabres, San Jose Sharks and Oilers. He has 326 goals and 291 assists for 617 points in those games, including 1,186 penalty minutes.
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30-game winner Paul Skenes?! A new formula to bring pitcher wins back to life
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Bradford DoolittleJun 25, 2025, 07:00 AM ET
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There have been 2,664 pitchers who have made at least 30 career starts since 1901.
Three of those pitchers — or one out of every 888 — own a career ERA below 2.00. Two of them are Hall of Fame deadball era greats: Ed Walsh (1.82) and Addie Joss (1.89). The third is Pittsburgh Pirates superstar Paul Skenes.
The chances of Skenes, who has made just 39 career starts, remaining in that class are slim. That’s nothing against him. It’s the reality of math and the era in which he plays. The careers of Joss and Walsh overlapped in the American League from 1904 to 1910, when the aggregate ERA was 2.61. The collective ERA in the majors since Skenes debuted is 4.04.
This season, Skenes’ 1.85 ERA leads the majors, and he’s first among all pitchers in bWAR (4.4). The latter figure is actually tops among all National League players, period. The current numbers generated by my AXE system and the futures at ESPN BET both mark Skenes as a solid favorite to win his first NL Cy Young Award.
Incidentally, Skenes’ won-loss record for the woeful Pirates is a meager 4-6. Should we care?
Yes, we should care about pitcher wins
Won-loss records for pitchers are no longer part of the evaluative conversation, so if your response to the previous question was “no” then congratulations for paying attention. If your response was anything else, then it’s almost certainly because you’re in a fantasy league that still uses pitcher wins, not because you think Skenes’ record actually tells us anything about his true value.
But what if I could tell you this and prove it: Skenes’ real won-loss record is 11-5, the win total tied for the third-most in the majors. I’m going to explain how I got there, but first, let me explain why I think it matters.
Just to illustrate how starting pitchers were written about for most of baseball history, I pulled up the 1980 MLB preview from the Sporting News and went to the page where the Pirates (defending champs at the time) were analyzed. Here’s a bit on their pitching:
“The Pirates last year won without a 15-game winner. The staff won in bunches. Five pitchers won 10 or more games.”
There were no other pitching statistics in the staff outlook. No ERAs, no strikeout rates, nothing about walks. This was it. This is just how pitchers were discussed back then.
It’s good that we understand how to assess pitchers now at a deeper level and, even back in 1980, people like Bill James were already doing it. But pitching wins still meant something as one of the baseball statistics James might allude to as having achieved “the power of language.”
That is: To describe a pitcher as a 20-game winner had real meaning. It was an avatar for quality, and if someone was a five-time 20-game winner, that was an avatar for greatness.
Pitcher wins have always been an imperfect measure, but its flaws have ballooned over time as the game and the responsibilities of the starting pitcher have evolved. Last season, 41.3% of decisions went to relievers. One hundred years ago, that number was 18%.
A good win statistic clears away a lot of contextual noise. In every game, you have two starting pitchers, on opposing teams, pitching on the same day, at the same ballpark and in the same weather conditions. While starters will never admit they are competing against each other (“my job is to get the opposing lineup out” is the standard refrain), they actually are. Their job is to pitch better than the other pitcher, because doing so means giving up fewer runs than him and, if you do that, you win. Well, at least before the bullpens get involved, but a good win stat would filter out that factor, too.
Take anyone who has ever pitched for the Colorado Rockies. The Rockies have been around for more than 30 years and it’s still exceedingly difficult to make heads or tails of their pitchers because so much of their data has to be greatly adjusted for ballpark context. And, while park effects are necessary and sophisticated, they are also estimates.
The Rockies have never had a 20-game winner. The closest was Ubaldo Jimenez, who won 19 in 2010, when he also became one of two Rockies starters to top 7 bWAR. (The other was Kyle Freeland in 2018.) Jimenez is Colorado’s career ERA leader as well, with a mark of 3.66. Every other qualifying Colorado starter in franchise history is at 4.05 or above.
Thus, when we talk about the best pitchers of the current era, Rockies pitchers are almost always going to be left out of the conversation. Their numbers just don’t seem telling or comparable.
This is where a better win statistic would be so useful. Because whatever the precise effects Coors Field might have on a game’s statistics on any given day, a good win stat would be comparing two starters on that field in almost exactly equal conditions. If we do it that way, maybe the Rockies do get some 20-game winners on their ledger.
Is such a win stat possible?
A better way to win
For me, the pitcher win should strictly be the domain of a starting pitcher. This dictum is clouded by the use of openers to start games and bulk pitchers who are used like starters but just not at the outset of games. For now, let’s try not to think about that.
The question about each game I want to answer is this: Which starting pitcher was better in that game? The starter who becomes the answer to that question gets the win; the other gets the loss. And that’s all. It’s as simple as that. Every starter in every game gets a win or a loss and no-decisions don’t exist.
Well, the no-decisions would still exist, because I’m not proposing that we erase traditional won-loss records from the books. There’s too much history attached. Early Winn is remembered in part for clinging to his career in pursuit of 300 wins, and he finished with that number exactly. Cy Young is remembered for his unbreakable career record of 511 wins. Likewise, Jack Chesbro’s claim to immortality is that he owns the modern single-season record of 41 wins. We don’t want to erase those things — we want to add to our understanding of starting pitchers.
Something I’ve proposed on a number of occasions is to use James’ game score method to assign wins and losses. In fact, I’ve tracked game score records for several years and for this piece, I expanded my database back to 1901 to see how the historical record might look.
There are other game score methods, but I like James’ version for its simplicity, though the modified version created by Tom Tango for MLB.com has the same virtue. With either, you can look at a pitching line and easily calculate the game score in your head, once you’ve got the formula down. (If you can’t do that calculation, study more math.)
I also would try to account for short, opener-style outings. I use James’ version but dole out a heavy penalty for going fewer than four innings. To avoid ties — when the starters end up with the same game score — you can give the W to the starter on the winning team.
Awarding pitcher wins like this isn’t perfect. The conditions for the starters aren’t truly equal because the quality of the lineups they face won’t be the same. When Skenes beat Yoshinobu Yamamoto earlier this season, for example, his task against the Los Angeles Dodgers’ lineup was a bit more difficult than Yamamoto’s figured to be against Skenes’ teammates. Likewise, the quality of the defenses behind opposing starters won’t be the same in any given contest.
Despite those disparities, the mandate for both starters is identical: Out-pitch the other guy. And you know what? The game score method of assigning wins and losses to assess the success of that assignment works pretty well.
How game score wins would change history
Let’s call a game score win a GSW and a game score loss a GSL. Do you know who owns the single-season record in GSW?
It’s Chesbro, still. In fact, his 1904 feat looks just as impressive by this method. Here are the top five seasons by GSW:
Jack Chesbro, 40-11 (1904)
Christy Mathewson, 35-9 (1908)
Iron Joe McGinnity, 34-10 (1904)
Mathewson, 34-12 (1904)
Ed Walsh, 34-15 (1908)
Still all deadball guys, sure, but that’s just the top of the leaderboard. There have been 21 30-win seasons by the traditional wins method since 1901 but only three during the last 100 years: Lefty Grove (31 in 1930), Dizzy Dean (30 in 1934) and Denny McLain (31 in 1968).
By the game score method, the list of 30-game winners grows to 36 and it’s not so dusty — 12 of them land in the expansion era (since 1960) and we even get two 30-win seasons during the wild-card era (since 1994). Here are the most recent instances:
33 GSWs: Sandy Koufax (twice, 1965 and 1966) and Mickey Lolich (1971)
32: Steve Carlton (1972, for a last-place team), Denny McLain (1968)
31: Koufax (1963)
30: Whitey Ford (1961), Juan Marichal (1968), Jim Palmer (1975), Ron Guidry (1978), Randy Johnson (twice, 2001 and 2002)
The Big Unit! Johnson won the last two of four consecutive NL Cy Young Awards in 2001 and 2002, during which his combined traditional record was 45-11. His combined game score record is 60-9.
When you go down the list to 29 wins, the roster is just as interesting — and more recent. Here are the last five instances:
• Dwight Gooden (1985)
• Mike Scott and Roger Clemens (1986)
• Curt Schilling (2001)
• Gerrit Cole (2019)
I mean, are we having fun now, or what? Imagine those seasons and the coverage that would go with their pursuit of 30 wins. Schilling would be trying to match Johnson to give the Arizona Diamondbacks a pair of 30-game winners. And Cole, only a few years ago, would have been racing for 30 wins in his last season for the powerhouse Houston Astros in advance of free agency. Wouldn’t you have liked to have had this headline at ESPN to react to that winter?
Yankees sign 29-game winner Cole to $324 million deal
None of this is a product of a fantastical what-if scenario. This is all based on what these pitchers actually did, just framed and measured a little differently. And I think it adds to their accomplishment (or lack thereof in the case of Homer Bailey’s 0-20 season in 2018) and improves the conversation about pitching, which now is too bogged down by statistical complexities that many or even most fans roll their eyes at.
Advanced measures would still matter a great deal of course, but barroom conversations about pitching would be much improved. I imagine somehow sitting down for one more baseball chat with my late grandfather, who was one of the people who taught me about the sport. If I told him something like, “Gerrit Cole had 7.8 WAR last year and a 28% strikeout rate,” it wouldn’t mean anything to him. But if I told him, “Gerrit Cole won 29 games last year,” he’d understand that and would not be misled about what it meant.
Thinking about pitcher wins in this way brings the past back into conversation with the present. For all of the differences between what was expected of Christy Matthewson in 1904 and Tarik Skubal in 2025, the core mission outlined by this framework is identical: To outpitch your opponent when you take the mound.
This becomes evident when you look at the list of those who have reached 300 career game score wins since 1901, a roster of greats that covers every period of the modern era … and is about to grow by one:
Next up, at 299: Clayton Kershaw, who will join Verlander and Scherzer as active 300-game winners, at least by this method. By the traditional method, none of them are likely to reach 300.
What about Skenes?
There’s a reason we chose Skenes as our jumping-off point. As mentioned, Skenes’ 4-6 mark over his first 16 starts tells you nothing about a pitcher with a 1.85 ERA. His game score record (11-5) is a lot more on the mark. Here’s Skenes’ game score log entering his start Wednesday against Milwaukee Brewers rookie sensation Jacob Misiorowski:
For his career, Skenes is now 30-9 by the game score method. He’s 15-9 by the traditional formulation. Same number of losses, but double the wins. Which version is more indicative of Skenes as a pitcher?
It’s cherry-picking to home in on Skenes, but his game score log translates to this: Skenes has pitched better than his starting opponent 76.9% of the time as a big leaguer, despite the treachery of the punchless offense behind him.
Now let’s do one more list. Here are the three highest game score winning percentages, minimum 30 career starts, since 1901:
1. Paul Skenes, .769 (30-9)
2. Nick Maddox, .722 (52-20)
3. Smoky Joe Wood, .722 (114-44)
Wood is historically prominent, while Maddox, who pitched for the Pirates 115 years ago, is not. Still, since Maddox popped up, I have to share this late-in-life quote from him, because it so typifies the old-timer mindset, “These guys today aren’t pitchers — they’re throwers. Why, in my day, I’d throw one so fast past that guy [Ralph] Kiner he’d get pneumonia from the wind.”
Skenes is a pitcher and a thrower, a budding all-time great who is in conversation with pitchers who retired decades before he was born. If Skenes stays healthy (knock on wood) and his career builds, we can marvel at his accolades and statistical achievements. But will we ever say, “Skenes has a chance to be a 60 WAR guy” and expect that to resonate?
Maybe someday. But wouldn’t it be more fun to track how many 20-win — or even 30-win — seasons he can rack up? Wouldn’t it be more fun to count down his progress to 300 wins, which he is never going to sniff by traditional wins, unless the game itself changes dramatically?
Wouldn’t it be more fun to align pitching’s present with pitching’s past? Wins have always been the currency of baseball in general, and of pitching in particular. It’s just that up until now, pitching wins have been an unstable currency.
But it doesn’t have to be that way.
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