A politician for 12 years, in government for nine, and a secretary of state across six different departments, Sajid Javid has been at the top of the political tree in the UK for the best part of a decade, serving as our chancellor, home secretary and health secretary.
He knows a lot about government and a lot about what’s really going on behind closed doors – a seasoned political operator, he also knows how to dodge a question in an interview and when to toe the party line.
But now that he’s decided to quit politics in 2024, he used our conversation in Beth Rigby Interviews to do something quite different: speak honestly about the NHS and how he thinks it needs to change.
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‘Current NHS model is not sustainable’
When he was appointed health secretary in June 2021, no-one envied the job. He was tasked with trying to clear the NHS backlog that had ballooned during the COVID crisis.
When Mr Sajid took up the post, the waiting list was 5.3 million. It is now 7.2 million, and this former health secretary tells me that he thinks it will continue to go up for a while before it comes down.
But what the ex-minister wanted to use our interview for was to talk not about the immediate NHS pressures but the bigger picture.
He told me that he “doesn’t think the NHS will survive many more years” in its current form unless there is fundamental reform, and said we cannot pretend that the current system is providing good healthcare for people when “everyone is queueing for everything”, from a doctor’s appointment to an ambulance or hospital bed.
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“Having worked up close now with the health service, I don’t think the model of the NHS that was set up some 70 years ago is sustainable for the future,” he said.
“You know that the world has changed and the NHS has not moved with that. Even before the pandemic, it was moving in that direction.
“And because of the change in demography, people are living longer, therefore needing more health care, and social care for that matter, new medicines. And everyone rightly wants to get access to new medicines and treatments and also the changing burden of disease.
“You know, we have a lot more obese people today, we have a lot more problems with addiction. So the NHS needs to change… we need an honest debate about the future of the NHS.”
‘Keeping the show on the road’
Mr Javid told me that this debate is being stymied by politics, as politicians with skin in the game are unable to talk about the challenges of the NHS without it being used as an attack by their opponents.
He pointed to the recent furore in Scotland, where reports of discussions around asking the wealthy to pay for treatment provoked a furious backlash and were shut down before they even began.
But he, alongside some others on the backbenchers such as David Davis, wants to use his newfound freedom to open the discussion about how to fund the NHS while maintaining the principle of it being universal and free at the point of use.
Because the question of fundamental reform is a big and urgent one. The NHS now accounts for just over 40% of government spending but is struggling to meet demand, despite record levels of funding.
In the autumn statement, the government announced £6bn of extra funding over the next two years, but nearly all of this will be eaten up by costs of inflation and growing demand, with £800m left for improvement of services, according to Nuffield Trust analysis shared with Sky News.
Matthew Taylor, chief executive of the NHS Confederation, said the new money allocated in November wouldn’t do much more than allow the NHS to “just about keep the show on the road”.
Mr Javid didn’t want to be drawn on what sort of funding model he would recommend, but said it was time to look at the German and French systems to see how fellow Europeans do it.
“They seem to be doing better than we are at the moment, so we have got to ask ourselves how they managed to do that,” he said.
“And they are mostly funded by the taxpayer, but they also have some different models.”
Image: Javid served as health secretary under Boris Johnson, while the new PM, Rishi Sunak, was chancellor
In Germany, there is a dual public-private system in which healthcare is funded by statutory contributions, with the additional option of taking out private health insurance to replace or top up state cover.
France, meanwhile, runs a statutory health insurance system, providing universal coverage for residents financed from four sources:
• Citizens pay obligatory health contributions levied on earned income, paid by employers, employees and the self-employed • Contributions levied on unearned income • Central government funding • And users typically have to pay a small fraction of the cost of treatment they receive
Grasping the nettle on the NHS is, admits Mr Javid at the end of our interview, his unfinished business in politics.
“I would have in a way liked to have more time to look at reform and have that honest debate,” he told me.
But the political reality means that sort of debate is unlikely to happen this side of a general election.
Neither the Conservatives or Labour will want to risk doing anything that might be perceived in any way as creating a two-tier health service or threatening the principle of having an NHS that is free at the point of use.
For Labour, a party always trusted with the NHS, it is a boat Sir Keir Starmer will not want to rock, with Labour insiders telling me there is no way the leadership will open up any discussion about how the NHS funding model might change.
Instead, the shadow health secretary Wes Streeting will focus on how to better organise the NHS and shift attention towards preventive medicine and treatment.
As for Rishi Sunak, he hasn’t the bandwidth to be bold on fundamental reform as he struggles to keep his party even in the race for 2024.
‘Very bad period for country’
Even Mr Javid, perhaps more candid now he is out of cabinet, admitted the “odds are stacked against us” going into the 2024 and that the Liz Truss’s premiership “was a very bad period for our country”.
The former minister, who backed Ms Truss in the summer leadership campaign, said it was “obvious from the start, really, that she wasn’t going to be up for the job”.
Mr Javid told me that her decisions to side-line independent fiscal watchdog the Office of Budget Responsibility was “completely wrong”, as was the fighting with the Bank Of England and Ms Truss’s decision to fire the head of the Treasury as soon as she became prime minister.
“That was before the mini-budget and I think it got worse and worse at that point,” he added. “So I think it is something that was a very bad period for the country.”
A bad period, a bumpy 2023 ahead and a “tough battle” in the 2024 election, this former leading politician has decided it’s time to pursue a career outside politics once more.
He certainly won’t be the last big name Conservative to do so as the party eyes the opposition benches.
The alleged GPS jamming of a plane carrying Ursula von der Leyen by Russia raises concerns about air travel – but were there politics at play?
Jamming can overwhelm an aircraft’s GPS navigation systems, preventing them from working properly, leaving pilots to rely on other ways of finding out where they are.
The EU said there was GPS jamming but the plane was able to land safely, adding: “We have received information from Bulgarian authorities that they suspect this blatant interference was carried out by Russia.”
But the timing of the allegation of GPS jamming – something reported to be routine along the Russian border – days before a crucial meeting of European leaders to discuss peacekeeping troops for Ukraine raises the question of why now?
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Sky News has spoken to a pilot who was flying in the same area as Ms von der Leyen on Sunday, as well as a security expert with extensive knowledge of electronic warfare, to try and work out what happened.
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GPS interference has become a known and widespread issue affecting aircraft over Europe in recent years, particularly since the outbreak of the war in Ukraine in 2022.
Experts generally point the finger at Russia, saying that Moscow uses GPS interference to defend against Ukrainian drones but maybe also to cause a nuisance for the West.
Jamming can overwhelm an aircraft’s GPS navigation systems, preventing them from working properly, leaving pilots to rely on other ways of finding out where they are.
Image: A plane transporting Ursula von der Leyen and her staff on Sunday. Pic: Reuters
What happened to Ursula von der Leyen?
According to the Financial Times, the ‘attack’ disabled GPS navigation services at Plovdiv airport in Bulgaria on Sunday afternoon.
The aircraft was deprived of electronic navigational aids as it approached, the newspaper said. It circled the airport for an hour before the pilot decided to manually land the plane, apparently using paper maps.
The area is near a known hotspot for GPS interference and blame was quickly levelled at Russia – a claim that Moscow denied. Russia has denied other instances of GPS jamming in the past.
NATO chief Mark Rutte said the alliance takes the jamming of GPS signals “very seriously” and is working “day and night” to prevent that jamming, to ensure “they will not do it again”.
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Pilot: Airport is in a known GPS interference area
Sean Fitzpatrick is an experienced pilot who regularly flies through areas known for GPS interference. Indeed, he flew within 40 miles of Plovdiv airport on the same day as Ms Von der Leyen.
He told Sky News: “That airport is in a known GPS interference area. Anyone flying in there would know that there’s a high probability of having GPS issues.”
While GPS jamming is a nuisance, pilots essentially turn off GPS receivers and rely on other aids like the instrument landing system, Sean said.
He added: “When I heard they were pulling out paper charts (to navigate) I’m like, why didn’t they just have an iPad?”
Given that GPS jamming of flights near the Russian border is reported to be routine, Sean was asked if the choice to reveal this particular alleged incident to the media – so close to the coalition of the willing summit this week – was political.
“Based on the information I have, that’s what it looks like… Based on what I’ve seen and the information that’s available to the public and what I know as a professional… I think there’s a bit of politics and sensationalism.”
Image: A map of GPS interference levels detected over Europe earlier this year. Credit: GPSjam.org
‘We can make your life difficult’
Dr Thomas Withington, an expert on electronic warfare at the RUSI thinktank, agreed that there could be political angles to what happened.
“I think it’s quite hard to say with any degree of certainty whether her aircraft was deliberately targeted,” he told Sky News, noting that jamming signals are often sent out over a wide area. “But I’m sure that for Mr Putin it’s a very happy coincidence.”
He added: “Politically, what you’re saying is ‘we’re here, we can make your life difficult’.”
He also spoke about the wider impact of GPS jamming – and the possible dangers.
“I think it is important that the news went out there, because I think it indicates that Russia is an irresponsible actor, and these actions are grossly irresponsible, because you’re attempting to create a danger to international air travel, and there is simply no justification for that.”
He referenced the Azerbaijan Airlines flight in December, which was reportedly GPS jammed before it was mistakenly shot down by Russian air defences, killing 38 people.
“If those (Russian) actions cause loss of life, particularly in a NATO nation, I think it should be made very clear that a military response would be considered for that.”
French actor Gerard Depardieu has been summoned to face trial in Paris over allegations of rape and sexual assault against actress Charlotte Arnould.
“I feel relieved,” Ms Arnould wrote on Instagram after receiving the judge’s indictment order.
“The order restores a form of judicial truth. I think I’m having trouble realising how huge this is.”
Image: Charlotte Arnould. Pic: Reuters
Ms Arnould’s lawyer, Carine Durrieu-Diebolt, told French outlet Franceinfo she was “extremely satisfied” and said the decision was a “moment of judicial truth in this case”.
In 2018, prosecutors in Paris opened a preliminary investigation after Ms Arnould accused Depardieu of raping her at his home. He has denied wrongdoing.
“The acts of rape and sexual assault have been acknowledged,” Ms Arnould said. “Now, we await the next steps.”
Last year, prosecutors submitted a request for the case to proceed to trial.
The 76-year-old was convicted of groping a 34-year-old assistant and a 54-year-old woman responsible for decorating the set during the filming of Les Volets Verts (The Green Shutters) in 2021.
The court ordered his name to be listed in the national sex offender database.
At least seven people have been killed, parliament buildings have been set alight and more than 1,000 people have been arrested as anti-government protests sweep across Indonesia.
The unrest began in Jakarta, the country’s capital, more than a week ago – but has grown into wider demonstrations in at least 32 of Indonesia‘s 38 provinces, according to the country’s home minister.
Many of the protests turned violent after the death of Affan Kurniawan. The 21-year-old was trying to deliver food when he was caught up in a clash between police and protesters in Jakarta.
Now, many Indonesians are calling for a list of 25 demands from the government, including the end of police brutality and ensuring decent wages for the public. The hashtag #ResetIndonesia is filling social media, with many users adding pink and green colours to their profile pictures in response to the protests.
Here is everything you need to know.
What sparked the protests?
Public outrage grew when it emerged that all 580 members of the country’s House of Representatives receive a monthly housing allowance of 50 million rupiah (approximately £2,270), in addition to their salaries.
The benefit, introduced last year, is nearly 10 times the Jakarta minimum wage. Critics have argued it is not only excessive but also insensitive during a time of rising cost of living, taxes and unemployment.
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Protests also targeted what demonstrators called “corrupt elites” within the government and policies that, according to one student-led group, benefit conglomerates and the military.
A statement by the group, called Gejayan Memanggil, appeared to reference the growing role of the military in civilian life under President Prabowo Subianto, who is a former military general.
Image: A man attempts to throw back a tear gas canister toward riot police on 25 August. Pic: Reuters
On 25 August, hundreds of protesters marched through the streets of Jakarta surrounding the parliament building. Witnesses claimed that some tried to get inside.
Others, dressed in dark clothing, threw rocks and set off fireworks at riot police, who fired tear gas and used a water cannon to try and push back the crowd. Officials did not provide details of damage, any casualties or arrests.
Violent escalation
Violence between the two sides escalated after the death of Mr Kurniawan, who was reportedly hit by an armoured police vehicle, which sped through a crowd of protesters on Thursday 28 September.
The following day clashes between riot police and protesters erupted in multiple cities across the country, including in Medan, Solo, Yogyakarta, Magelang, Malang, Bengkulu, Pekanbaru and Manokwari in the eastern Papua region.
Image: Students confront the police in Jakarta. Pic: AP/Tatan Syuflana
In the city of Makassar on Sulawesi island, at least three people died, and five others were injured after a local parliament building was set on fire.
Protesters also stormed the regional police headquarters in Surabaya, Indonesia’s second-largest city, after destroying fences and torching vehicles.
Image: Police officers walk amid tear gas. Pic: AP/Trisnadi
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Indonesian security forces used tear gas and water cannons against the protesters, who hit back with fireworks and wooden clubs.
The violent scenes emerging from the country led to TikTok voluntarily suspending its feature for users to go live, citing measures to keep the platform a safe and civil space.
Senior minister Airlangga Hartarto said on Monday that at least eight people had died in the clashes. Jakata’s health office said 469 were injured, including 97 who needed hospital treatment.
Image: Flames rise as a building in Bandung, Jawa Barat. Pic: Instagram/@suryagagalbersinar via Reuters
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At least 1,240 protesters were arrested after five days of demonstrations in the capital, with city officials reporting $3.4m (£2.5m) in damage.
Image: The aftermath of a violent protest. Pic: AP/Masyudi Firmansyah
‘Doxxing’ of political figures
Certain Indonesian officials became the targets of social media “doxxing” – the searching and publishing of private information with malicious intent – which revealed their addresses and led to the looting of their homes.
One of those was finance minister Sri Mulyani Indrawati, whose home was broken into after a deep-fake video of her circulated where she said teachers were a burden. Ms Indrawati was not at the property at the time.
The home of politician Ahmad Sahroni was also looted after he said calls to dissolve parliament over the financial benefit were being made by the “stupidest people in the world”.
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What has the government said?
When visiting some of those injured during the violence, Mr Prabowo said the unrest was being fuelled by“rioters, not protesters,” and accused the groups who had organised the action of trying to destabilise the nation.
He also cancelled a high-profile trip to China to attend a “Victory Day” parade alongside other world leaders to focus on ending the protests.
Image: Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto. Pic: AP
It represents the most significant challenge yet to the president’s government, which has faced little political opposition since taking office nearly a year ago.
In a rare concession, Mr Prabowo told a televised news conference on 31 August that the government would cut politicians’ perks and privileges, including the housing allowance that caused the demonstrations.
He also said police were investigating seven officers linked to the death of Mr Kurniawan, but warned that security forces would act firmly to control law and order.
Image: Ride-hailing motorbike drivers at a rally calling for peace after the protests. Pic: Reuters
Is there an end in sight?
Despite concessions from the government, demonstrations across the country have continued.
Groups of student protesters gathered in Jakarta on 1 September, as well as in Indonesia’s cultural hub of Yogyakarta, and the cities of Bandung and Makassar, the site of the weekend’s worst violence.
“The president’s statement did not accommodate demands from students and civil society,” Syamry, the leader of a student group from Makassar State University, said.
Image: A university student delivers his speech during a protest. Pic: Reuters
They said students also had other, deeper demands, such as comprehensive police reform.
Tensions remained high on Tuesday as police fired tear gas into crowds of protesters near the campuses of the Islamic University of Bandung – also known as UNISBA – and nearby Pasundan University, according to two student groups at the two institutions.
Police official Hendra Rochmawan said authorities did not enter the campuses but had tried to break up crowds of non-student protesters seeking protection within the grounds, as crowds blocked roads in the area.
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International rights groups have criticised the response of security officials, with the United Nations calling for rights violations to be investigated.
But the deputy Asia director of Human Rights Watch said authorities “acted irresponsibly by treating the protests as acts of treason or terrorism”.