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“The majority of smugglers lose their money on gambling, drugs and discos.”

Those are the words of someone involved in cross-Channel people smuggling.

In an exclusive interview with Sky News, they lifted the lid on how people make it to Britain on small boats.

In just a few days, the government is set to publish new laws aiming to stop small boats crossing the Channel, with illegal migration remaining one of Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s priorities.

In a wide-ranging discussion, the smuggler revealed how they avoid the police and what they make of the government’s Rwanda deportation plan.

They also disclose how most of those involved in taking people across the Channel end up in the UK themselves.

And they blame “mafia” groups for the deaths of more than 30 people who drowned while trying to cross the Channel in November 2021.

Here’s what else they told us about how these criminal gangs operate, in our full Q&A.

How would you describe your role?

It starts in the camps. The refugees are there – all nationalities from Kurds to Afghans, Albanians and Pakistanis – and so are the smugglers.

People get the smuggler’s name and make an agreement about where to meet. Passengers are sent on foot, by bus or car to the beach.

The smuggler waits for the equipment to arrive, it’s assembled, then people are put in boats and they set off.

Smugglers are just doing business, transferring people to the other side.

They work and make money. They are even helping people.

We see it as just another job, like working in a restaurant or a barbershop.

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What does it cost to get to Britain and what’s the process?

The first thing is the money. If someone has money, it’s easier.

If they don’t have money, the journey is more difficult and they’ll have to wait around.

If there are too many migrants, the prices go up. So it goes from €500 to €2,500.

If there aren’t enough people then the prices drop.

Different nationalities also affect the prices. For example, Albanians pay more, Pakistanis pay more.

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How difficult do the French police make it?

Smugglers play hide and seek. If the police are there, they hide and wait till they have gone and then we do our job.

The police watch us, and we also watch the police. When they have gone, we do the job.

But if the police are there they disrupt our work and puncture the dinghy.

It’s becoming more difficult to avoid the police because the locations have now been identified.

In the past, it was just the trucks. The police now know from which points smugglers send people.

People have died going to Britain on small boats – would you put your family on a boat?

Yes, it’s normal. People take four days [to travel] from Greece to Italy. Compared to that trip, this journey is nothing.

People put their own family members in these dinghies – their wives, sisters and brothers.

Sometimes, they cross themselves.

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Is smuggling a lucrative business?

Some people lose money.

An eight-metre dinghy costs around €1,000-€12,000. If the police come and tear it apart, that’s €12,000 down the drain.

Sometimes it happens twice, or the engine doesn’t work, or the dinghy is confiscated on its way.

But some also make a profit.

The majority of smugglers lose their money on gambling, drugs and discos.

Tell us more about smugglers and the UK.

Three-quarters of the smugglers are in Britain. The money they make, they invest in business there.

They live there, life is easier there. Regardless of their nationalities, three-quarters of the smugglers live in the UK and invest their money in business.

They are happier there. They rent houses under someone else’s name and drive cars without a licence.

They walk around London. They walk around Leeds, Birmingham and Newcastle.

They have made money, invested it there and have businesses.

They send people across the water and then they jump on the last boat and cross the water.

What about the UK government’s Rwanda plan – would that change anything?

I swear even if they send people to the Amazon, people will come to Britain – it’s their wish to go to Britain.

It will change a bit for some nationalities.

It will decrease but not to the extent that refugees won’t come to Britain.

People will still come.

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Where do the boats come from?

In the past, people would go to Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium and would buy boats there. But that has decreased because it was discovered [by police].

So now people bring the boats from Turkey – they can buy them in bulk and it’s cheaper.

It costs around €3,500. So they buy five or six and send them to Germany by post, and then from Germany, cars transport them to France.

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A record number of 45,756 people attempted the dangerous journey from France to the UK last year, a rise of over 60%

How did the deaths of 31 migrants in the Channel in 2021 make you feel?

Some of these guys [other people smugglers] have no conscience.

Even when the weather is not good, they are addicts and just want the money and to play with people’s lives.

People are desperate in the camps in the rain and cold, and with the police’s dawn raids.

If you tell the migrants “tonight is good”, everyone swarms around you and they don’t care. They don’t know about the weather.

Some of the smugglers are mafia, not smugglers, and do it only for the money. They know the weather is not good, but they still play with people’s lives.

The night of the incident was one of those nights.

The ones who did it were mafia – they have no heart.

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Teenage girl killed on M5 in Somerset after getting out of police car named

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A teenage girl who was killed after getting out of a police car on the M5 in Somerset has been named.

Tamzin Hall, 17 and from Wellington, was hit by a vehicle that was travelling southbound between junction 24 for Bridgwater and junction 25 for Taunton shortly after 11pm on Monday.

She had exited a police vehicle that had stopped on the northbound side of the motorway while transporting her.

A mandatory referral was made to the Independent Office for Police Conduct, which is now carrying out its own investigation into what happened.

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Avon and Somerset Police said: “Our thoughts and sympathies go out to Tamzin’s family for their devastating loss.

“A specially-trained family liaison officer remains in contact with them to keep them updated and to provide support.

“The family have asked for privacy at this difficult time.”

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The police watchdog, the IOPC, has been asked to investigate.

In a statement, director David Ford, said: “This was a truly tragic incident and my thoughts are with Tamzin’s family and friends and everyone affected by the events of that evening.

“We are contacting her family to express our sympathies, explain our role, and set out how our investigation will progress. We will keep them fully updated as our investigation continues.”

Paramedics attended the motorway within minutes of the girl being hit but she was pronounced dead at the scene.

The motorway was closed in both directions while investigations took place. It was fully reopened shortly after 11am on Tuesday, Nationals Highways said.

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Mohamed al Fayed’s brother Salah also abused women, say female Harrods employees

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A survivors group advocating for women allegedly assaulted by Mohamed al Fayed has said it is “grateful another abuser has been unmasked”, after allegations his brother Salah also participated in the abuse.

Justice for Harrods Survivors says it has “credible evidence” suggesting the sexual abuse allegedly perpetrated at Harrods and the billionaire’s properties “was not limited to Mr al Fayed himself”.

The group’s statement comes after three women told BBC News they were sexually assaulted by al Fayed’s brother, Salah.

One woman said she was raped by Mohamed al Fayed while working at Harrods.

Helen, who has waived her right to anonymity, said she then took a job working for his brother as an escape. She alleges she was drugged and sexually assaulted while working at Salah’s home on Park Lane, London.

Two other women have told the BBC they were taken to Monaco and the South of France, where Salah sexually abused them.

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The Justice for Harrod Survivors representatives said: “We are proud to support the survivors of Salah Fayed’s abuse and are committed to achieving justice for them, no matter what it takes.”

The group added it “looks forward to the others on whom we have credible evidence – whether abusers themselves or enablers facilitating that abuse – being exposed in due course”.

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Salah was one of the three Fayed brothers who co-owned Harrods.

The business, which was sold to Qatar Holdings when Mohamed al Fayed retired in 2010, has said it “supports the bravery of these women in coming forward”.

A statement issued by the famous store on Thursday evening continued: “We encourage these survivors to come forward and make their claims to the Harrods scheme, where they can apply for compensation, as well as support from a counselling perspective and through an independent survivor advocate.

“We also hope that they are looking at every appropriate avenue to them in their pursuit of justice, whether that be Harrods, the police or the Fayed family and estate.”

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The Justice for Harrods Survivors group previously said more than 400 people had contacted them regarding accusations about Mohamed al Fayed, who died last year.

One of those alleged to have been abused is Bianca Gascoigne, the daughter of former England player Paul.

Speaking to Sky News in October, Gascoigne said she was groomed and sexually assaulted by al Fayed when she worked at Harrods as a teenager.

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Wes Streeting ‘crossed the line’ by opposing assisted dying in public, says Labour peer Harriet Harman

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Wes Streeting “crossed the line” by opposing assisted dying in public and the argument shouldn’t “come down to resources”, a Labour peer has said.

Speaking on Sky News’ Electoral Dysfunction podcast, Baroness Harriet Harman criticised the health secretary for revealing how he is going to vote on the matter when it comes before parliament later this month.

MPs are being given a free vote, meaning they can side with their conscience and not party lines, so the government is supposed to be staying neutral.

But Mr Streeting has made clear he will vote against legalising assisted dying, citing concerns end-of-life care is not good enough for people to make an informed choice, and that some could feel pressured into the decision to save the NHS money.

He has also ordered a review into the potential costs of changing the law, warning it could come at the expense of other NHS services if implemented.

Baroness Harman said Mr Streeting has “crossed the line in two ways”.

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“He should not have said how he was going to vote, because that breaches neutrality and sends a signal,” she said.

“And secondly… he’s said the problem is that it will cost money to bring in an assisted dying measure, and therefore he will have to cut other services.

“But paradoxically, he also said it would be a slippery slope because people will be forced to bring about their own death in order to save the NHS money. Well, it can’t be doing both things.

“It can’t be both costing the NHS money and saving the NHS money.”

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Baroness Harman said the argument “should not come down to resources” as it is a “huge moral issue” affecting “only a tiny number of people”.

She added that people should not mistake Mr Streeting for being “a kind of proxy for Keir Starmer”.

“The government is genuinely neutral and all of those backbenchers, they can vote whichever way they want,” she added.

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Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has previously expressed support for assisted dying, but it is not clear how he intends to vote on the issue or if he will make his decision public ahead of time.

The cabinet has varying views on the topic, with the likes of Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood siding with Mr Streeting in her opposition but Energy Secretary Ed Miliband being for it.

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The Terminally Ill Adults (End of Life) Bill is being championed by Labour backbencher Kim Leadbeater, who wants to give people with six months left to live the choice to end their lives.

Under her proposals, two independent doctors must confirm a patient is eligible for assisted dying and a High Court judge must give their approval.

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The bill will also include punishments of up to 14 years in prison for those who break the law, including coercing someone into ending their own life.

MPs will debate and vote on the legislation on 29 November, in what will be the first Commons vote on assisted dying since 2015, when the proposal was defeated.

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