
Audi Q8 e-tron first drive: Notable improvements where it truly counts – in the battery and motor
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Last November, Audi announced a rebranding of its flagship e-tron model to the Q8 e-tron, establishing it as its top-of-the-line EV model and solidifying its place in the c-segment without any more confusion. I recently got the opportunity to explore the added performance of both the Audi Q8 e-tron quattro and Sportback through the Redwoods and along the coast of Sonoma County in California. Here are my thoughts.
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Isn’t the Q8 just the original Audi e-tron?
Yes. Yes, it is. But this isn’t a simple rebranding. The total changes compared to last year’s model are not exponential, but any upgrades that have been made by Audi are beneficial to consumers from a performance standpoint. We’ll dig into that in a minute, but first, let’s establish how we got here.
Audi’s e-tron lineup of all-electric vehicles began in 2018 with the flagship vehicle by the same name. We have since seen four additional models, including e-tron GT and Q4 e-tron, in addition to several interesting e-tron concepts.
I’ll be the first to admit that Audi’s e-tron model nomenclature still sometimes confuses me on paper, but these EVs are much easier to differentiate when you see them side by side. This past November, Audi added a bit of clarity to its lineup by rebranding the original e-tron SUV and Sportback as the Q8 e-tron.
The Audi team told us the reasoning behind the naming decision was to align with an existing model name that represents the brand’s utmost quality – and to segue that reputation into an all-electric era.
I’ve been following the progress of the 2024 model year Audi Q8 e-tron as we’ve learned US pricing and availability, but it wasn’t until last week that I finally got my chance to get behind the wheel.
Updates beyond (and beneath) the aesthetic
If you’ve been in last year’s e-tron or Sportback e-tron, you’d get inside these new models and wonder how much has changed. Truthfully, not that much… at least at first glance. What Audi has done here is deliver some serious innovation and optimization where it matters… underneath all that shiny stuff on top.
Audi has successfully improved its battery and motor design within both the Q8 e-tron SUV and Sportback. The engineers overseas utilized every inch of the EV’s battery modules by stacking each’s prismatic cells rather than winding them. The result is a battery pack that delivers nearly 20 kWh more gross capacity (114 kWh vs. 95 kWh on the 2023 version) – all in the same footprint.
Drivers of the 2024 Q8 e-tron models will be able to take advantage of 30% more range compared to previous models, eclipsing 300 miles on a single charge in the Q8 Sportback S-Line e-tron (w/ ultra package). Here’s a quick side-by-side comparison to truly grasp how much more efficiency Audi is delivering within the same footprint:
Audi e-tron Model |
2023 e-tron quattro |
2023 Sportback S-Line e-tron quattro |
2024 e-tron quattro |
2024 Sportback S-Line e-tron quattro |
2024 Sportback S-Line e-tron quattro (ultra package) |
Battery Size (gross) | 95 kWh | 95 kWh | 114 kWh | 114 kWh | 114 kWh |
Peak Power | 402 hp | 402 hp | 402 hp | 402 hp | 402 hp |
0-60 mph | 5.5 sec (w/ boost) | 5.5 sec (w/ boost) | 5.4 sec | 5.4 sec | 5.3 sec |
Top Speed | 124 mph | 124 mph | 124 mph (est.) | 124 mph (est.) | 124 mph (est.) |
Drag Coefficient | 0.31 Cd | 0.28 Cd | 0.29 Cd | 0.27 Cd | 0.27 Cd |
Curb Weight | 5,765 lbs. | 5,787 lbs. | 5,798 lbs. | 5,798 lbs. | 5,798 lbs. |
EPA Range | 226 mi. | 225 mi. | 285 mi. | 296 mi. | 300 mi. |
As you can see, despite adding more battery density, the new 2024 Q8 e-tron models weigh nearly the same as their predecessors while delivering range improvements. In speaking with Audi senior manager of product planning, Anthony Garbis, I learned that the automaker reduced the amount of Cobalt in its battery chemistry. Combined with some swapping of components for lighter materials, Audi delivered a more powerful EV without adding unnecessary weight.
The revamped battery chemistry also contributes to better charge curves (Audi says it will hold 100 kW at 80% before winding down) and will enable the new Q8 e-tron models to reach higher charging rates (170 kW vs. 150 kWh previously), thus reducing charge times to 31 minutes to replenish from 10-80%.
But enough about specs, let’s talk about my experience driving two variations of the new Q8 e-tron.
Changes to the interior and exterior, plus US pricing
As I reported last fall, the dawn of the new age of the Q8 e-tron includes some new badge styles that will set the tone for the luxury brand’s future as it continues to go all-electric.
The first thing you’ll notice in the images above is the new 2D rings logo on a redesigned single-frame front grill, featuring more efficient apertures that help deliver an air curtain around the EV. This increase in the air curtain significantly contributes to the lower drag coefficients detailed above.
I also snapped some images of Audi’s new laser-etched model badge on each e-tron’s B-pillar. Going forward, if you’re ever confused about what model you’re looking at, just check the door!
Inside, the Q8 e-tron should be very familiar to previous drivers. The layout and design are mostly the same, although Audi has integrated sustainable materials more. For example, the greyish inlet on the dash (see below) is made from recycled PET bottles. I love to see stuff like this, but it needs to happen more!
Real quick, let’s get pricing out of the way so you know what you’re dealing with as a consumer:
2024 Model Year Trim | Premium | Premium Plus | Prestige | Launch Edition (2024 MY only) |
Q8 e-tron | $74,400 | $78,800 | $84,800 | $87,550 |
Q8 Sportback e-tron | $77,800 | $82,200 | $88,200 | $91,950 |
Wonderful. Onto the drive.
Driving the Audi Q8 e-tron quattro and Sportback e-tron
My drive consisted of a couple of hours along the coast in a white Audi Q8 Sportback S-Line e-tron (yes, it’s as tough to type as it is to say), followed by a lovely afternoon drive through the Redwoods in a Plasma Blue Metallic Q8 e-tron quattro (SUV).
I’ve driven plenty of electric SUVs and crossovers, some through the same coastal roads I experienced last week, but this ride felt different in a lot of ways. When I turned out of the hotel, I naturally gunned it to see what the Sportback e-tron could do. Admittedly, I was underwhelmed by its giddy-up, but I could immediately tell this was a pretty heavy vehicle.
Although its 0-60 time is nothing to drool over, the acceleration grew on me because of the overall ride. It is so smooth and quiet that you don’t even notice the acceleration. I found myself suddenly going 25-30 mph over the speed limit (nobody likes a snitch) without a single hair on my neck standing up – it just felt natural.
Since some of our route went through spotty cell areas, we used Audi’s UX navigation for the route rather than Apple CarPlay. That being said, I connected to CarPlay wirelessly and only had one issue – whenever I got a text, the center screen would switch over to CarPlay, and I’d have to tap back to Audi navigation. Kind of annoying, but I had my next two turns on display in front of me thanks to the HUD, which was top-notch, in my opinion.
The haptic touch took me a while to get used on the center screen as, at first, I wasn’t tapping hard enough for it to register. Once I got the hang of it, I still saw some delays between the tap, the haptic buzz, and the actual action taking place. This was by no means a deal breaker, but the software could be optimized a bit for responsiveness.
The menu was easy to navigate, though I found the tap-through process for certain menus a bit too labyrinthine, especially while driving. I would have liked the drive mode menu to be a bit easier to access as I shifted through the modes often to get the full experience. In the Q8 e-tron Sportback, I felt the most at home in Auto Mode.
When I tried to whip around my first curve along the coast, I had to steel myself for a second because I came in a little hot for such a heavy EV. The Q8 e-tron is a sturdy gal, let me tell you. “Comfort and luxury” is the name of the game here, not track records.
When I got into the Q8 e-tron SUV on the second half of the day, however, I was more comfortable with the feel of the Audi and spent most of my 2+ hour trip back to base in the sporty Dynamic Mode. I had an absolute blast in this vehicle, whisking through the beautiful forest and around mountainsides – when I wasn’t stuck behind a giant motorhome, that is.
It was here that I felt Audi’s quicker 14.6:1 steering ratio and stiffer front control arm bushings. Or maybe I’m just saying that to sound cool, and actually simply felt like a professional driver for an Audi e-tron commercial, accelerating through turns and passing lame gas pickups on any available straightaway.
Either way, I was in my element, and I was smiling.
Electrek’s take
While this is a new e-tron from a model name standpoint, it is by no means a complete revamp of last year’s version. That being said, there’s much to be excited about if you’re an Audi e-tron fan and you’re in the market for a new ride.
The most important change to note, in my opinion, is the upgrade to the battery technology. Delivering significantly higher energy density in the same dimensions, while offering consumers more range and better charging is a win for Audi’s assembly lines and its customers.
Although it’s only in the Q8 Sportback S-Line e-tron with the ultra package, being able to advertise 300 miles of range is huge, especially when you consider last year’s model topped out 75 miles shorter than that.
I’d argue that the average consumer will still want to see an even higher range to truly be enticed at the Q8 e-tron price point, but there are plenty of other perks to sway the purchase. All in all, anyone who is a fan of Audi, especially the original Q8 is going to enjoy these updated vehicles.
If you’re already driving an e-tron, you might not see enough different about it to upgrade just yet, unless you’re looking for more range. Either way, the Q8 e-trons are further evidence that Audi is serious about EVs as its future and is continuing to innovate in order to try and give its customers the very best.
I’m looking forward to seeing (and driving) what it comes up with next.
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Ethereum turns 10: From scrappy experiment to Wall Street’s invisible backbone
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CANNES — Ten years ago, Vitalik Buterin and a small band of developers huddled in a drafty Berlin loft strung with dangling lightbulbs, laptops balanced on mismatched chairs and chipped tables. They weren’t corporate titans or venture-backed founders — just idealists working long nights to push a radical idea into reality.
From that sparse office, they launched “Frontier,” Ethereum‘s first live network. It was bare-bones — no interface, no polish, nothing user-friendly. But it could mine, execute smart contracts, and let developers test decentralized applications. It was the spark that transformed Ethereum from an abstract concept into a living, breathing system.
Bitcoin had captured headlines as “digital gold,” but what they built was something else entirely: programmable money, a financial operating system where code could move funds, enforce contracts, and create businesses without banks or brokers.
One year earlier and 520 miles away in Zurich, Paul Brody got a call from IBM security: A kid was wandering the lab unattended.
“That’s not a child,” Brody told them. “That’s Vitalik. He’s a grown-up — he just looks really young.”
Paul Brody and Vitalik Buterin with IBM and Samsung executives at CES 2015, where IBM unveiled its first blockchain prototype built on Ethereum’s early code.
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At the time, Buterin was building the bones of Ethereum. The blockchain was still in its alpha stage, an early version of what would become a $420 billion platform rewiring Wall Street and powering decentralized finance, NFTs, and tokenized markets across the globe.
Brody, then leading a research team at IBM, remembers how quickly the idea clicked.
“One of the guys on the research team came to me and said, ‘I’ve met this really interesting guy. He’s got a really cool idea…It’s like a version of bitcoin, but we’re going to make it much faster and programmable,'” he said. “And when he said that to me, I thought, ‘That’s it. That is what I want. That is what we need.'”
With Buterin’s help, IBM built its first blockchain prototype on Ethereum’s early code, unveiling it at CES in 2015 alongside Samsung. “That was how I ended up down this path,” Brody said. “I was done with all other technology and basically made the switch to blockchain.”
Even now, as EY’s global blockchain leader, Brody remembers feeling a pang of envy. “This is a kid, and it doesn’t matter,” he said. “I was jealous of Vitalik… to be able to do that.”
He added, “I don’t think opportunities like that could have been surfaced when I was that age.”
Now, a decade later, that experiment has quietly rewired global markets.
Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin delivers a keynote at ETHCC, laying out the network’s next steps — and its values test — as institutional adoption accelerates.
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“It’s very impressive, just how much the space has succeeded and grown into, beyond pretty much anyone’s expectations,” Buterin told CNBC in Cannes on the sidelines of the blockchain’s flagship event in Europe.
Buterin said the change over the past decade has been staggering. Ten years ago, he recalled, the crypto community was “just a very small space,” with only a handful of people working on bitcoin and a few other projects.
Since then, Ethereum has become “this big thing,” Buterin reflected, with major corporations now launching assets on both its base layer and layer-two networks. Parts of national economies are beginning to run on Ethereum infrastructure, a far cry from its cypherpunk origins.
But Buterin warned that mainstream adoption brings risks as well as benefits. One concern is that if too few issuers or intermediaries dominate, they could become “de facto controllers of the ecosystem.” He described a scenario where Ethereum might appear open, but, in practice, all the keys are managed by centralized providers.
“That’s the thing that we don’t want,” he said.
Prague to the Riviera
Two years earlier in Prague, CNBC met Buterin at Paralelní Polis, a sprawling industrial complex turned anarchist tech hub in the city’s Holešovice district. The building’s labyrinthine staircases and shadowed corridors felt like a physical map of the crypto world itself — part resistance movement, part experiment in reimagining power.
It was a place built on Václav Benda’s concept of a “parallel society,” where decentralized technologies offered refuge from state surveillance and control. It’s the kind of place where Buterin, a self-described nomad, found himself at home among cypherpunks and cryptographic idealists.
At the time, Buterin described crypto’s greatest utility not in speculative trading, but in helping people survive broken financial systems in emerging markets.
ETHPrague 2023 was held at Paralelní Polis in the Czech Republic.
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“The stuff that we often find a bit basic and boring is exactly the stuff that brings lots of value,” he told CNBC at the time. “Just being able to plug into the international economy — these are things that they don’t have, and these are things that provide huge value for people there.”
Even in Prague, where coders worked to make payments fast and censorship-resistant, the technology felt like a resistance movement — privacy-preserving, anti-authoritarian, a lifeline in countries where banking collapses were common and money couldn’t be trusted.
This year, Buterin keynoted Ethereum’s flagship conference at the Palais des Festivals — the same red carpet venue that hosts movie stars each spring.
It was a fitting symbol of Ethereum’s journey: from underground hacker dens to a network that governments, banks, and brokerages are now racing to build upon.
Brody, who currently leads blockchain strategy at EY, says what matters most is how deeply Ethereum is integrating into traditional finance. “The global financial system is really nicely described as a whole network of pipes,” he said.
“What’s happening now is that Ethereum is getting plumbed into this infrastructure,” Brody continued, noting that until recently, crypto operated on entirely separate rails from traditional finance.
Now, he said, Ethereum is being wired directly into core transaction systems, setting the stage for massive financial flows — from investors to everyday savers — to migrate away from older mechanisms toward Ethereum-based platforms that can move money faster, at lower cost, and with more advanced functionality than legacy systems allow.

Becoming the plumbing of Wall Street
Stablecoins — digital dollars that live on Ethereum — power trillions in payments, tokenized assets and funds are moving on-chain, and Robinhood recently rolled out tokenized U.S. equities via Arbitrum, an Ethereum-based layer two.
Circle’s USDC — the second-largest stablecoin — still settles around 65% of its volume on Ethereum’s rails. According to CoinGecko’s latest “State of Stablecoins” report, Ethereum accounts for nearly 50% of all stablecoin activity.
Between Circle’s IPO and the stablecoin-focused GENIUS Act, now signed into law by President Donald Trump, regulators have new reason to engage with, rather than fight, this transformation.
Data from Deutsche Bank shows stablecoin transactions hit $28 trillion last year — more than Mastercard and Visa combined. The bank itself has announced plans to build a tokenization platform on zkSync, a fast, cost-efficient Ethereum layer two designed to help asset managers issue and manage tokenized funds, stablecoins, and other real-world assets while meeting regulatory and data protection requirements.
Digital asset exchanges like Coinbase and Kraken are racing to capture this crossover between traditional securities and crypto.

As part of its quarterly earnings release, Coinbase said this week it’s launching tokenized stocks and prediction markets for U.S. users in the coming months, a move that would diversify its revenue stream and bring it into more direct competition with brokerages like Robinhood and eToro.
Kraken announced plans to offer 24/7 trading of U.S. stock tokens in select overseas markets.
BlackRock‘s tokenized money market fund, BUIDL, launched on Ethereum last year, offering qualified investors on-chain access to yield with real-time redemptions settled in USDC.
Even as newer blockchains tout faster speeds and lower fees, Ethereum has proven its staying power as the trusted network for global finance. Buterin told CNBC in Cannes that there’s a misconception about what institutions actually want.
“A lot of institutions basically tell us to our faces that they value Ethereum because it’s stable and dependable, because it doesn’t go down,” he said.
He added that firms frequently ask about privacy and other long-term features — the kinds of concerns that institutions, he said, “really value.”
Institutions are choosing various layer twos to meet specific needs — Robinhood uses Arbitrum, Deutsche Bank zkSync, Coinbase and Kraken Optimism — but they all ultimately settle on Ethereum’s base layer.
“The value proposition of Ethereum is its global reach, its huge capital flows, its incredible programmability,” Brody said.
He added that the fact it isn’t the fastest blockchain or the one with the quickest settlement times “is secondary to the fact that it’s overall the most widely adopted and flexible system.”
Brody also believes history points toward consolidation. He said that in most technology standards wars, one platform ultimately dominates. In his view, Ethereum is likely to become that dominant programmability layer, while Bitcoin plays a complementary role as a risk-off, scarcity-driven asset.
Engineers, he said, “love to work on a standard… to scale on a standard,” and Ethereum has become precisely that.
Tomasz Stańczak, the newly appointed co-executive director of the Ethereum Foundation, in Cannes for Europe’s largest annual gathering for the blockchain.
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Tomasz Stańczak, the newly appointed co-executive director of the Ethereum Foundation, sees the same pattern from inside the ecosystem.
“Institutions choose Ethereum over and over again for its values,” Stańczak said. “Ten years without stopping for a moment. Ten years of upgrades with a huge dedication to security and censorship resistance.”
When institutions send an order to the market, they want to be sure that it’s treated fairly, that nobody has preference, and that the transaction is executed at the time when it’s delivered. “That’s what Ethereum guarantees,” added Stańczak.
Those assurances have become more valuable as traditional finance moves on-chain.
Scaling without losing its soul
Ethereum’s path hasn’t been smooth. The network has weathered spectacular booms and busts, rivals promising faster speeds, and criticism that it’s too slow or expensive for mass adoption. Yet it has outlasted nearly all early competitors.
In 2022, Ethereum replaced its old transaction validation method, proof-of-work — where armies of computers competed to solve puzzles — with proof-of-stake, where users lock up their ether as collateral to help secure the network. The shift cut Ethereum’s energy use by more than 99% and set the stage for upgrades aimed at making apps faster and cheaper to run on its base layer.
Ethereum co-founder Vitalik Buterin in Prague, where he finds refuge with like-minded programmers looking to change the world through cryptography-powered technology.
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The next decade will test whether Ethereum can scale without compromise.
Buterin said the first priority is getting Ethereum to “the finish line” in terms of its technical goals. That means improving scalability and speed without sacrificing its core principles of decentralization and security — and ideally making those properties even stronger.
Zero-knowledge proofs, for example, could dramatically increase transaction capacity while making it possible to verify that the chain is following the rules of the protocol on something as small as a smartwatch.
There are also algorithmic changes the team already knows are needed to protect Ethereum against large-scale computing attacks. Implementing those, Buterin said, is part of the path to making Ethereum “a really valuable part of global infrastructure that helps make the internet and the economy a more free and open place.”
Buterin believes the real change won’t come with fireworks. He said it may already be unfolding years before most people recognize it.
“This type of disruption doesn’t feel like overturning the existing system,” he said. “It feels like building a new thing that just keeps growing and growing until eventually more and more people realize you don’t even have to look at the old thing if you didn’t want to.”

Brody can already see hints of that future. Wire transfers are moving on-chain, assets like stocks and real estate are being tokenized, and eventually, he said, businesses will run entire contracts — the money, the products, the terms and conditions — automatically on a single, shared infrastructure.
That shift, Brody added, won’t simply copy old financial systems onto new technology.
“One of the lessons from technology adoption is that it’s not that we replace like for like,” he said. “When new things come along, we tend to build on a new technology infrastructure. My key hypothesis is that as we build new financial products, it will be attractive to build them on blockchain rails — and we’ll try to do things on blockchain rails that we can’t do today.”
If Brody and Buterin are right, the real disruption won’t make headlines. It’ll simply become the way money moves, unseen and unstoppable.
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How Florida quietly surpassed California in solar growth
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Solar energy is booming across the U.S. and, for the first time, Florida is catching up to industry powerhouses Texas and California.
Despite removing climate change from its official state policy in 2024, Florida added more utility-scale solar than California last year, with over 3 gigawatts of new capacity coming online.
“This is not a fluke,” said Sylvia Leyva Martinez, senior analyst at Wood Mackenzie. “Florida is now shaping national solar growth.”
The surge is being driven by utilities, not rooftop panels. Florida Power & Light alone built over 70% of the state’s new solar last year. A state rule lets developers skip lengthy siting reviews for projects under 75 megawatts, which speeds up construction and cuts costs.
“There’s no silver bullet,” said Syd Kitson, founder of Babcock Ranch, a town designed to be powered almost entirely by solar. “But one thing Florida got right is acceptance. Here, people want solar. And we’re proving it works.”
Babcock Ranch runs on its own microgrid and stayed online during Hurricane Ian in 2022, while much of southwest Florida went dark.
“We didn’t lose power, internet, or water,” said Don Bishop, a homeowner there. “That changes how you think about energy.”
The economics are doing the rest. With industrial demand rising and natural gas prices climbing, solar is increasingly the cheapest option, even without subsidies.
“Utilities aren’t building solar because it’s green,” Martinez said. “They’re doing it because it’s cheaper.”
But new challenges are emerging.
In July, President Trump signed the One Big Beautiful Bill, which accelerates the rollback of solar and wind tax credits. Homeowners lose the federal investment credit after 2025. Developers face tighter deadlines and stricter sourcing rules.
“It won’t kill the market,” said Zoë Gaston, an analyst who follows the solar industry at Wood Mackenzie. “But it makes the math harder.”
Analysts now expect a 42% drop in rooftop solar installs in Florida over the next five years. And while utility-scale growth continues, grid constraints are becoming an issue. Utilities are pouring money into storage, smart infrastructure, and grid upgrades to keep up.
Babcock Ranch is piloting new microgrid systems to add resilience. The hope is that other communities can take the playbook and adapt it, storm-proofing neighborhoods one block at a time.
“We’ve been testing this for years,” Kitson said. “Now it’s about scale. It’s about showing others they can do it too.”
The bigger question is whether Florida can keep this momentum going without policy support, and while still leaning heavily on natural gas.
“Florida has the solar resources,” said Mark Jacobson, a professor at Stanford’s Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering. “What’s missing is political consistency.”
Watch the video to see how Florida became a solar leader and what could slow it down.
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The Tesla Diner has been open for 12 days and it’s going kinda rough so far
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Tesla opened its retro-futuristic “Tesla Diner” last Monday, July 21st. It’s a cool concept and the realization of a plan that was first talked about in 2018… but in the 12 days since it opened, it hasn’t been all roses so far.
The diner has been through a few twists and turns since it was first proposed by Tesla CEO Elon Musk on a conference call in 2018. At first, the plan was to build it alongside a Supercharger location in Santa Monica, but the restaurant portion didn’t get off the ground and Tesla just build a Supercharger location there instead.
Then Tesla moved the project to Hollywood… on Santa Monica Blvd. So, kind of still Santa Monica, right? It took the place of an old Shakey’s Pizza, and has been under construction for quite some time.
The plans were to offer a diner with a Supercharger, carhop service, large drive-in movie screens and a retro-futuristic aesthetic around it all. It opened on July 21st, at 4:20pm (420 being a reference to Musk’s reported drug addictions), delivering all that, along with a merchandise shop and one of Tesla’s Optimus robots serving popcorn.
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Pretty much immediately, the Diner had quite a festive atmosphere. The line to get food has reportedly consistently been an hour or more long since it was opened, which speaks to the site’s popularity – but perhaps also a failure to provide the kind of rapid service that a fast casual diner with car service might seek to offer.
Given that the site is also a Supercharger, one would expect to have a premium on fast service, so that cars don’t end up parked in spots for too long which could otherwise be used for fast charging (Tesla charges idle fees for EVs which charge for too long and clog up chargers, but we’ve heard conflicting information over whether these idle fees apply to people waiting for food at the Diner)
One remedy for these long lines, though, is Tesla’s in-car computer, which cleverly allows drivers to order food from inside their car ahead of time while navigating to the site. Tesla then knows when the driver will show up, based on in-car navigation, and theoretically can have the order ready by then – but perhaps that will become more relevant once lines die down.
In theory, it definitely does seem like a “Supercharger done right.” We’ve covered several instances of these, charging plazas that aren’t just a place to charge, but which offer other amenities that drivers might want while charging – like ROVE’s Santa Ana “full service” charger with grocery store, lounge and car wash; or Rivian’s “Outpost” locations. And we definitely want to see more of this, giving people things to do while they’re charging, which can lead to electric roadtrips feeling even better than gas ones.
But so far the Diner hasn’t been without its problems, and we’ve heard a number of them in the past 12 days.
Some of the problems Tesla Diner has seen since opening
Both during construction and now that the site is open, many of the site’s neighbors aren’t particularly happy, according to a 404 media article including several interviews. An apartment block directly beside the site has seen significant turnover and vacancies as renters were fed up with years of construction, operating 14 hours a day, and loud generators that also emitted polluting exhaust.
Residents in the article were afraid to use their full names, lest they be exposed to abuse by Tesla fans as a result – something that we at Electrek can attest to, having received similar responses after writing truthful articles about the company.
Some renters have had their windows blocked by the 40-foot-tall movie screen, and while the screen doesn’t produce sound itself (that’s piped through vehicle speakers), it does have fans on the back of it which make a constant whir – thus blocking their view and adding noise pollution.
And since the diner is open 24/7, there’s no reprieve from the hustle and bustle, which has also caused traffic backups along the small nearby streets and has forced the apartment building to reinforce its entry door.
Much of this could be blamed on the planning commission, perhaps, for allowing the project to go on as-is – assuming Tesla was upfront about the site’s uses. And some of the chaos will calm down once the novelty of the site goes down, and some noise is to be expected for those living in a relatively busy part of the LA area in the first place. One resident did say they liked the hustle and bustle, but according to the article, this resident seems to be in the minority.
Beyond the planning issues and busy nature of the site, there have been several operational issues so far.
On the very first day, Tesla’s popcorn-scooping Optimus robot failed. Tesla has touted its expertise with “real-world AI,” using its Optimus robots as an example, showing the robot’s dexterity and ability to do factory tasks. But the problem is, in most public displays of the robot so far, it has been teleoperated – that is, remote controlled by a human. Reportedly, Diner employees confirmed that the popcorn-bot was teleoperated, despite doing quite a simple and repetitive task.
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The robot also has multiple tenders – videos show Diner employees handing popcorn containers to it, as it can’t separate the containers itself, and having to refill the popcorn machine and clean up any dropped popcorn. Combine those employees and the reported teleoperator for the robot, and this feels like we’re seeing a decrease in labor efficiency here, rather than an increase.
One widely-shared report showed perishable items stacked outside – but given that it was just a single photo, it seems likely that these items were mid-delivery.
More concerningly, TMZ reported that a woman was struck on the head by an awning/umbrella, and her husband claimed that she appeared confused and briefly lost consciousness afterwards. The LA Fire Department responded and the woman left the scene without an ambulance.
And of course, as is the case with anything Tesla these days, the Diner has attracted controversy. In Los Angeles – a city which is currently being occupied by nazi-like goons who are demanding that residents show their papers lest they be kidnapped and potentially shipped to a death camp – the man who last year became the largest individual global funder of the fascist regime that is now causing these illegal disappearances is not very popular. And you don’t have to go far back to remember when Musk himself said that his current actions are “not good for America or the world.”
Tesla locations in the LA area (and around the globe) have been subject to routine “Tesla Takedown” protests for months, starting after Musk did two clear nazi salutes and had spent his first few weeks in an advisory role in which he recommended that the US government haphazardly and illegally cut thousands of important jobs, increasing government chaos and ballooning the US deficit.
The protests also note Musk’s recommendation to cut USAid, an incredibly effective and relatively inexpensive international soft power program for the US, cuts of which are projected to cause millions of deaths globally (USAID is credited with saving 91 million lives from 2001-2021).
On the Diner’s first day, a lone protester showed up, a harbinger of things to come. Then, on it’s first weekend, the protest became much more significant – with protesters erecting two “wacky waving inflatable arm men” designed to look like Musk and repeatedly mimic his nazi salutes.
Another protest is scheduled for later today, starting at 4PM, and Tesla Takedown plans to protest from 4-7pm every Saturday and Sunday until further notice.
Finally, one video called the whole thing, and particularly the long line for dining, a “disaster.” It pointed out the difficulty a new Ioniq 6 owner was having with operating his Tesla app to grab a Supercharge (Tesla’s network is now open to Hyundai EVs). This did not appear to be a site-specific problem, rather an issue with the Tesla app as best we can tell, but the frustration of all the traffic chaos must not have made attempts to find a solution any easier.
While Tesla does have a spotlight on everything it does, this seems like a significant collection of difficulties and unforced errors for less than two weeks of operation (hmm, where have we seen something similar before…). Let’s see if they’re able to iron out the kinks.
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