Disgraced TV presenter Phillip Schofield has given two interviews after it emerged he had a relationship with a much younger male colleague while presenting This Morning.
In interviews published today, Schofield revealed:
• He has had suicidal thoughts since the scandal broke and likened his situation to what Caroline Flack faced before her death
• The first romantic encounter between the presenter and employee happened in Schofield’s dressing room – and the man was 20 when they first had any sexual contact
• The pair had five or six romantic encounters – Schofield denied the man was driven from ITV studios to his London home in taxis paid for by ITV
• He thinks ITV bosses should have completed a more thorough investigation in 2020
• Co-star Holly Willoughby did not know about the affair
Below we take a detailed look at what else we learned from his interviews with The Sun and the BBC.
Image: Phillip Schofield and his then This Morning co-host Holly Willoughby
No ‘hint of sexual attraction’ when pair first met
The 61-year-old said his affair with the former colleague, who is 30 years his junior, was “unwise, but not illegal”when he confirmed the relationship last week.
He has now told the BBC he met the young man when he was invited to a drama school event many years ago.
The man was 15 at the time.
They began communicating on Twitter after they followed each other on the platform after the event, Schofield said.
The former TV presenter added there was “absolutely not” any hint of sexual attraction when they first met.
Dressing room ‘kiss’ and grooming denial
Schofield went on to tell theBBC his first romantic encounter with the colleague took place in his This Morning dressing room when the man was 20.
“In my dressing room one day, something happened,” he said.
“I kissed someone in the workplace, which led on to a little bit more.”
In his interview with The Sun, Schofield insisted: “I did not, I did not (groom him)”.
‘There was no abuse of power’
The former This Morning presenter said in his interview with the tabloid that there are “accusations of all sorts of things” but the relationship “never came across” as an abuse of power.
“If it’s an abuse of power, it’s not in my nature to be that person, but of course it could be perceived as that,” he said.
“But that wasn’t how it felt at the time”, Schofield added.
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‘I did a bad thing’
‘We were not boyfriends’
Schofield has said he was never in a proper relationship with the male colleague.
He told the BBC he did not love the younger colleague, they were “not boyfriends”, and had five or six romantic encounters over a few months.
Meanwhile, Schofield told The Sun he is still friends with the former This Morning worker.
‘He came to the flat once – he didn’t stay over’
The former presenter has also denied press reports the younger colleague was driven in taxis between Schofield’s London home and the This Morning studios.
“He didn’t frequently come to my flat, he came to the flat once… to my recollection, he didn’t stay over,” he said.
‘I lied consistently’
Schofield told the BBC he “did something very wrong” and then “lied consistently”.
Asked how much his colleagues knew about the affair, Schofield said: “Nobody ever asked me about being gay. When the rumour [about the affair] got bigger, then we were both asked.”
In his interview with The Sun, he suggested he lied to bosses to protect the younger male colleague.
Schofield said: “I didn’t lie to protect my career, he didn’t want his name in public. He wanted his own life.
“The lies grew bigger and bigger and bigger and it was affecting both of us deeply.”
In his interview with the BBC, Schofield emphatically denied a claim he did a deal with a newspaper in 2019 to hide the affair.
A media outlet allegedly agreed not to write the story about the young man in return for an exclusive interview about Schofield coming out as gay.
Biggest apology goes to ‘innocent’ former lover
Schofield was “furiously vaping” when he said his “greatest apology” goes to his former lover, according to The Sun.
He said the young man has experienced the “greatest misery into his totally innocent life” since the affair was confirmed.
“I haven’t spoken to him since this s***show kicked off, but when this was all beginning to get out of control, I paid for his lawyers to independently work on his behalf.”
He added: “I am deeply sorry and I apologise to him because I should have known better… I will die sorry. I am so deeply mortified.”
Addressing allegations and rumours posted online, Schofield insisted his former lover did not receive a penny in “hush” money to prevent him from speaking out.
Meanwhile, he told the BBC: “He is an innocent party here. I was older, I should have known better. [The affair] was consensual, but it was my fault.”
Schofield also offered an apology to his former This Morning presenting partner Holly Willoughby and confirmed the pair no longer speak.
Image: Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield in 2019
‘I have lost everything’
Schofield also talked in the interviews about how his life has changed since the rumours about his affair were confirmed.
He told the BBC he now has to “talk about television in the past tense” – suggesting his career was over – and that it “breaks my heart”.
Schofield added that he has “lost everything”.
He went on to say that he now wonders “what am I going to do with my days?”.
Schofield admitted to The Sun he has not watched a single This Morning episode since his resignation.
Suggestion homophobia has fuelled backlash
The former This Morning presenter said he felt homophobia was a factor in people who disapproved of the affair.
“If it was male-female then it wouldn’t be such a scandal,” he told the BBC.
‘This is how Caroline Flack felt’
Schofield also said he had suicidal thoughts and that his daughters are “scared to let me out of their sight”.
“Last week, if my daughters hadn’t been there, I wouldn’t be here,” he told the BBC.
He also likened his situation to what TV presenter Caroline Flack faced before she took her own life.
My wife was ‘very, very angry’
Schofield told The Sunhis wife was “very, very angry” after he confessed to her about the affair and said he had previously denied the rumours to her when asked.
He said: “She got off a plane and I phoned her up and texted saying, ‘I need to talk to you’.
“She called back and I told her. She was very, very angry.”
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Let’s deal, first of all, with the question many of you will have: after today’s reduction to 4.25% will there be more interest rate cuts to come?
Today, the Bank of England did nothing to sway you – or the financial markets that bet on such things – from the assumption that after today’s quarter percentage point cut there will be further reductions in the cost of borrowing.
Indeed, right now, financial markets assume the Bank will cut UK interest rates down to 3.5% by early next year, and the Bank didn’t contradict that today.
But (this being economics, there’s always a “but”) if there was one theme that overarched the Bank’s latest set of forecasts, it was that it’s becoming fiendishly difficult to predict the future.
Take tariffs. In theory, the Bank thinks they’ll actually be much less damaging than many had assumed, with the total impact not enough to push the UK into recession.
But that’s based on a few important assumptions, chief among them that Donald Trump doesn’t re-impose the reciprocal tariffs announced on 2 April – despite the fact that he’s explicitly said they are only temporarily paused. It was based on the assumption that the UK wouldn’t get a trade deal with the US, an assumption that was already out of date by the time the document was published.
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The Bank’s forecasts are, in other words, even more uncertain than usual.
Perhaps that helps explain why the nine members of the Monetary Policy Committee had a rare three-way split in their vote this month, with two members voting to leave rates on hold, two voting to cut them by half a percentage point, and the remaining five carrying the decision and reducing them by 0.25%.
Now, even taking this uncertainty into account, there are a few things one can take from today’s Bank of England news, and the update from its American counterpart, the Federal Reserve, yesterday.
While tariffs are expected to push inflation up in the US, they are expected to push inflation down in the UK. The upshot is while the Federal Reserve is pausing its interest rate cuts, UK rates are coming down.
Every Bank of England forecast is, by definition, a historic document. Such things take time to model and write so, by the time they come out, they are always a little bit out of date. But never has this been more true of a Bank forecast than the one published today.
The big picture, however, is that no one really has a clue. No one knows what Donald Trump will do next. No one knows what the impact of his tariffs will be on the UK or, indeed, elsewhere. No one knows what this all spells for inflation or unemployment.
A 101-year-old veteran, who has never publicly talked about her wartime experience, wants the VE Day 80th anniversary events to be a chance to reflect on the “unnecessary” conflicts we see today that she says are driven by “pure greed”.
Pauline Alexander was one of five siblings who all served in the Second World War – with three of them among the four family members she lost during the conflict.
She was encouraged to talk about what she went through by her daughter after she saw the Royal British Legion appealing for more surviving veterans to tell their stories.
80 years ago, as Sir Winston Churchill declared there was finally victory in Europe and the celebrations erupted in London, Ms Alexander was in Chelmsford with her mother and sister-in-law.
Image: Sir Winston Churchill announces ‘victory in Europe’ in 1945
“I was at home on leave,” she said.
“We joined in the celebrations, the singing and dancing. It was very exciting. Everyone in Chelmsford had turned out, well those who were still there. But it was very… how can I put it? A feeling of what next… life had changed completely.
“We started [the war] as a family of seven, we ended as three.”
Like so many, Ms Alexander’s war was punctuated by loss.
Her father died while running the family surgical instrument business in 1943, and three of her brothers were killed.
Peter Kipling, an Army dispatch rider, died in a bike accident delivering a message to the war office in London. He was about to be sent to the front in preparation for D-Day.
Guy and Bernard Kipling, who were twins, were both navigators on RAF bombers.
They were shot down in 1941 and 1943, their bodies never came home.
All three are remembered on Peter’s gravestone in Broomfield Cemetery.
Image: Pauline Alexander with her brother Peter Kipling who died before he was due to be sent to the front for D-Day
Image: Pauline Alexander with her brother Guy Kipling who died in the conflict
Looking at photographs of her brothers, Ms Alexander quietly said: “That’s just how I remember them all, just like that.”
When I asked her how she felt when she heard they had died serving their country, she replied: “In those days of war you just had to accept these things.
“It was bound to happen at some time or other. Bernard served on Whitley bombers, and they were known as flying coffins.”
Ms Alexander’s story about her family, and the clerical work she did in the Women’s Royal Air Force (WRAF) from 1942-1946, including at bomber command at RAF Waddington, only came to light because of the Royal British Legion appeal.
She said she previously just thought: “It was our duty to do what we could and that was life, everyone was losing family… it was just something that happened.
“All part of life and living.”
Image: Children wave flags from the ruins of their homes in Battersea, south London, as they celebrate VE Day in 1945. Pic: PA
Image: Families fly flags and bunting in the street on VE Day in 1945. Pic: PA
I asked her how her mother reacted when she said she wanted to sign up.
Ms Alexander replied: “She said yes. It would do me good. I was getting too spoilt at home.”
She added: “If my brothers were in, I had to be in to do my bit too.”
Her mother, Rosa Kipling, was also a remarkable woman.
She lived until 105 and was recognised for bravery in the first honours list to feature MBEs in 1918, after surviving an explosion during the First World War in a munitions factory.
It is no wonder then that her children were all so committed to do their bit.
Image: An elderly woman gets a hug from a GI in London on VE Day. Pic: AP
Image: Sky’s Rhiannon Mills with Pauline Alexander
The sense of service and the acceptance of the sacrifices that had to be made now feel more important than ever, especially in the context of ongoing global conflicts.
That was something that Ms Alexander was keen to talk about from her home in March, Cambridgeshire, where she will be watching today’s events.
Asked why she believes it is so important that we take time to remember today, she said: “Because it’s all part of history, and history is very important, because we learn from history.
“When you think of all the conflicts that are going on now and how it’s all unnecessary in a sense, just pure greed. Because what they went through [in the Second World War] was absolute hell.”
As I reflected with her that they truly are an amazing generation, Ms Alexander simply replied: “Yes, there’ll never be another one like it.”
The King and Queen have paid their respects to Britain’s war dead at a service to mark the 80th anniversary of VE Day.
The royal couple were among 2,000 people – including 78 veterans – who attended the ceremony at Westminster Abbey in London.
The thanksgiving service, which included music and readings, paused at midday for a national two-minute silence in memory of those who died.
Image: Poppies surrounded the grave of the Unknown Warrior in the abbey
Image: King Charles lays a wreath at the grave of the Unknown Warrior. Pic: Reuters
Image: Followed by his son, the Prince of Wales. Pic: Reuters
Image: State trumpeters play a fanfare during the service. Pic: Reuters
Other attendees included the Prince and Princess of Wales, along with Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and some of his Downing Street predecessors, including David Cameron and Boris Johnson.
The King laid a wreath, which featured the message “We will never forget”, at the grave of the Unknown Warrior, followed by the Prince of Wales.
Image: The Princess and Prince of Wales also paid their respects. Pic: Reuters
Image: Tory leader Kemi Badenoch and Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer were among the dignitaries. Pic: Reuters
Image: David Cameron, pictured arriving at the abbey with his wife Samantha, was one of several former prime ministers who attended. Pic: Reuters
At their side, watching from his wheelchair, was veteran Ken Hay, 99, who served in the infantry regiment.
Actor Josh Dylan read a letter from Lance Corporal Fredrick Burgess to his seven-year-old son Freddie, written while he was serving in Italy.
He quoted the serviceman, whose granddaughter Susan was among those in the abbey, as writing: “When I do come home, and it will not be very long now, I’m going to buy you something extra specially nice for being such a good boy.”
Image: Members of the royal family at the thanksgiving service.
Pic: Reuters
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Image: RAF veterans Kathleen, 101, and Roy Lawrence, 101, who have been married for 74 years, share a kiss at a VE Day anniversary event in Staffordshire. Pic: PA
Lance Corporal Burgess also described the rain in Italy and how his small tank, which he named Freddie II after his son, had been damaged with a “whacking big hole” by a bomb.
Dylan revealed: “Seven months after writing this letter, Lance Corporal Burgess was killed.”
An excerpt of wartime prime minister Sir Winston Churchill‘s 1945 victory speech, in which he declared the war in Europe was over, was also played.
His great-great-grandson Alexander Churchill, aged 10, lit a peace candle and later read a prayer for “peace in Europe and across the world”.