At midnight on Tuesday, the moderators of the Reddit community r/Gaming decided to go dark.
Dac Croach, who goes by username Dacvak, and the subreddit’s other leaders hit the private button, initiating a 48-hour shutdown for the group’s more than 37 million members, along with anyone else who tried to access the community.
They were joining a large-scale protest against Reddit, which was about to implement a business change that would dramatically increase the price for third-party developers to use the company’s application programming interface, or API. In the preceding days, the r/Gaming moderators had run a poll indicating that users would support a shutdown. They discussed the results on Slack, and then went offline.
The widespread protests of one of the internet’s most-trafficked sites started early this week and quickly expanded to more than 8,000 subreddits, including the wildly popular r/Funny, with over 40 million members, along with r/Music and r/Science, each boasting over 30 million users.
Croach and his peers weren’t only standing in solidarity with Reddit’s outside developers. They were also worried that the tools they use on a daily basis to run their groups may no longer be available if the creators of those services decide they can’t afford Reddit’s new pricing structure. Reddit’s third-party apps are popular with moderators, who use them to organize their subreddits, block spam accounts, flag unsafe posts, find patterns of harassment and abuse and communicate with their members on the go.
Other apps widely used by Reddit members help with browsing the site and with assisting disabled users, who can find services for improved accessibility.
Croach told CNBC that, unlike Facebook, Twitter and Alphabet’s YouTube, Reddit counts on independent developers, rather than employees, to provide essential services that make the platform operable for moderators and users.
“Reddit not only has all of its content generated by users, but all of its moderation is done by volunteers,” Croach said. “We’re talking hundreds of thousands of volunteers putting in hours a day to keep the site safe, entertaining and enjoyable for community members. And it’s tough to see that those people, when their voices are loud like this, are being ostensibly ignored.”
That sentiment is shared across much of the Reddit universe, based on CNBC’s interviews with nearly a dozen moderators, some of whom oversee the biggest communities on the site.
The controversy highlights the increasingly fraught relationship between Reddit’s leadership team, which has been marching towards an IPO, and its many outside supporters, who have helped the company maintain over 100,000 active communities that attract over 500 million monthly global visitors.
If unresolved, the impact of a prolonged blackout could have ripple effects across the internet.
Reddit is the sixth-most-visited website in the U.S., according to data from analytics firm Semrush – behind Google, Google-owned YouTube, and Facebook, but ahead of Amazon, Twitter and Yahoo. Its more than 100,000 active subreddits, on topics from gardening to comic books, provide mounds of content catalogued by Google and other search engines.
Reddit previously said the coming price increase for access to its API was necessary because so much of its data is being used to train artificial intelligence models being developed by tech giants like Microsoft and Google.
In addition to giving it compensation for using its trove of data, Reddit said the updated pricing model is “to ensure developers have the tools and information they need to continue to use Reddit safely, protect our users’ privacy and security, and adhere to local regulations.” The company added in a later post that it “needs to be a self-sustaining business and to do that, we can no longer subsidize commercial entities that require large-scale data use from our API.”
Christian Selig, who runs a popular third-party browsing app called Apollo, found out about the pricing change on May 31, when a Reddit representative called him.
On the call, Selig figured out that he would owe Reddit about $20 million a year. Selig wrote in a post that Reddit is asking developers to pay $12,000 for every 50 million requests. He had 30 days to prepare for the changes or shut down altogether. He determined that he couldn’t afford to keep Apollo alive.
Selig announced he would shut down his app on June 30, the day before the changes were set to take effect. He emailed a Reddit representative and CEO Steve Huffman, outlining “small concessions that could be made that I think could make Apollo survive this, specifically around the timelines,” Selig told CNBC.
A Reddit spokesperson pointed CNBC to a recent blog post outlining the company’s policies around its API and referenced Huffman’s comments during a recent Reddit Ask Me Anything post.
“We respect when you and your communities take action to highlight the things you need, including, at times, going private,” Huffman said. “We are all responsible for ensuring Reddit provides an open accessible place for people to find community and belonging.”
Steve Huffman, CEO of Reddit, delivers remarks on ‘Redesigning Reddit’ during the Web Summit in Lisbon, Portugal, Nov. 8, 2017.
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With the Reddit moderator community in an uproar, Huffman reportedly sent a memo to employees on Monday, telling them that, “like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass.” He predicted that most subreddits would be back online by Wednesday.
The blackout continued through the week. Huffman told NBC News on Thursday that he wants the protests to end soon, but downplayed the significance of their impact on the company, saying that roughly 80% of Reddit’s top 5,000 communities are back open.
Huffman also said he’s looking to change Reddit’s moderator policy at an unspecified time so that users would be able to more easily vote out moderators if they disagreed with their decisions. A Reddit spokesperson said that Huffman was only outlining a hypothetical moderator proposal.
On Friday, the company posted a message in r/ModCodeofConduct, a community of Reddit moderators, suggesting that if subreddits did not agree to lift the blackout, the company would work to find new moderators.
“We are also aware that some members of your mid team have expressed that they want to close your community indefinitely,” the post said, adding, “If there are mods here who are willing to work towards reopening this community, we are willing to work with you to process a Top Mod Removal request or reorder the mod team to achieve this goal if mods higher up the list are hindering reopening.”
While the initial protest was planned for just 48 hours, on Tuesday thousands of subreddits decided to extend their blackouts indefinitely.
“No one enjoys this,” Croach said. “No one wants to black out. No one revels in this. No one is happy about this. We’re doing this because… we love everything about Reddit, and we genuinely feel like not only are these decisions potentially detrimental for the future of the site, but they’re also just absolutely unfair to a lot of the people – including the third party developers – who volunteered their time for the site over the years… More than anything, we want a positive, peaceful outcome as quickly as possible, so things can just return to normal.”
The ripple effects
Among the major U.S. internet companies, Reddit is unusual in that it’s still private. The 18-year-old company first disclosed plans for an IPO through a confidential filing in late 2021. That was right when the extended bull market was coming to an end and just before Wall Street lost all interest in public listings from cash-burning tech companies. It’s not clear at the moment when an IPO could happen.
Huffman has “got a lot of decisions to make as he’s trying to move the company public,” said David DeWald, a community manager for the telecommunications company Ciena and a moderator of the r/Arcade1up subreddit who goes by the username HistorianCM. He said Reddit management likely made the decision to raise the price of its API out of financial necessity.
As a private company, Reddit doesn’t have to disclose its financials or provide revenue and profit projections. Reddit is an ad-supported business and, in the limited information it’s provided to the public, the company said in mid-2021 that quarterly ad revenue hit $100 million for the first time. On Thursday, Huffman told NBC News that the still-unprofitable company’s annual revenue is less than $1 billion.
For many news publishers, corporate websites and image-sharing services, Reddit is a major driver of traffic because its users share so much content with one another.
Shane McCarthy, chief marketing officer of enterprise software vendor Sandboxx, said many CMOs are surprised with how much referral traffic their website can get when one of their products is discussed in a particular Reddit community. Those sites could see a sudden decrease in traffic because of the blackout, McCarthy said, ultimately hurting their search rankings and driving up marketing costs. There are rumblings that it’s already happening.
The bigger problem for Reddit, according to McCarthy, is that the latest developments may deter new users from signing up, making it a less attractive place for advertisers to run campaigns. And if users delete content or archives in an act of protest, as one Reddit moderator told CNBC some are considering, “there’s nothing there anymore,” he said.
Croach and other subreddit moderators said tensions have long existed between Reddit management and the company’s vast network of volunteer contributors. The API charges represent the final straw, as they know the new pricing model doesn’t work for some app developers who built tools that they use every day.
“You have a lot of people, both professionals and general community members, who are running the numbers on this,” Croach said. “A lot of people are kind of getting the same result, which is that the API pricing structure seems to be intentionally unsustainable for these smaller third-party developers.”
A Reddit user who goes by Meepster23 echoed Croach’s views. Meepster23 is a senior moderator of the r/Videos subreddit, which has more than 20 million members. He said that despite Reddit’s claim that the changes are about recouping costs, “their pricing seems to be based on revenue, not on cost at all.”
Following the protests in real time
With their communities shut down, many moderators have turned to a subreddit and Discord group called ModCoord to express their frustrations and figure out next steps. ModCoord is made up of moderators of leading subreddits and has served as a way to help organize the community and disseminate information.
Although ModCoord has been used for past Reddit protests, it’s “not something that the moderators pull out lightly,” said a Reddit user named Omar, who helps run the ModCoord subreddit and Discord community, in an interview. Like several moderators who spoke to CNBC, the person asked not to be credited with their full name for fear of online harassment. The community, “isn’t under some delusion that we want the API to be free,” Omar said, adding that the priority is to make access affordable.
Reddark, a website that shows in real time which subreddits have gone private or read only, grew out of a community effort to chart the protests’ impact, and now attracts thousands of people visiting the site to watch the actions unfold, the creators told CNBC.
Reddark’s director, known online as Tanza, called Reddit’s API changes “ridiculous,” and said many disabled users rely on third-party apps for enhanced accessibility features.
A moderator of r/Unexpected, a subreddit with more than 10 million members, said its community was “dependent on third-party apps,” adding that moderating communities from mobile devices could be nearly impossible after the changes.
Jacqueline Sheeran, known as “MCHammerCurls,” is the head moderator of r/Fitness, which has more than 10 million members. She said volunteer moderators are reliant on third-party apps for all sorts of safety features so they can flag key words, phrases and expressions.
“There are legitimate health concerns, eating disorders, injuries,” she said. “[It’s about] trying to make sure that people are staying safe and healthy in their activities while also not being inundated by bots or spam accounts.”
Although Reddit has promised that its API pricing change wouldn’t affect third-party non-commercial accessibility apps or certain moderation tools, many Reddit moderators said that they are hesitant to trust the company. The moderators claim that Reddit has made promises in the past, such as providing them with high-quality internal moderation tools. However, they say Reddit’s home-built software wasn’t as good as outside services.
Leading up to the protests, Dr. Sarah Gilbert, a moderator for the r/AskHistorian subreddit, said she was “kind of hopeful” that Reddit leadership would distinguish the company as one that takes into account the concerns of volunteers in making business decisions.
“That would be such a powerful model for Reddit to take on and show,” said Gilbert, who studies online communities as part of her work as a postdoctoral associate at Cornell University and research manager at the school’s Citizens and Technology Lab. “It would have been a good thing for the social internet that we have for people to feel listened to and comfortable, but I don’t know if the turning point is going to come too late or what’s going to happen.”
Gilbert added that Huffman’s recent comments about instituting possible policy changes that would let Reddit users more easily remove moderators are “highly concerning for a number of reasons.”
She said that while on the surface, Huffman’s proposed policy changes “seem like it would work well,” it’s often that “voting alone can have some disastrous effects.”
“So, there’s a real risk that mods are going to get voted out, simply for doing the work of moderation,” she said. “In the short term, this means mods may be less likely to do important moderation work that protects their communities but may be unpopular, which will have a downstream effect of more disinformation, more hate, more spam, more harassment and more abuse on Reddit.”
Reddit user RamsesThePigeon, who moderates multiple subreddits, including r/funny and r/nottheonion, said the company appears to be “standing firm” in its belief that the price hike was the right call.
But the conflict isn’t helpful for either side, and everyone’s time would be better spent “working toward the solution rather than against each other,” he said.
“I feel like a lot of people don’t take the time to consider the other side, whether that’s Reddit not considering its moderators and contributors, or the moderators and contributors not considering Reddit,” RamsesThePigeon said.
Regardless of the outcome, several moderators said that there’s been a loss of trust that will be hard to repair.
“I’m not certain that there would have been a completely perfect way to handle any of this,” RamsesThePigeon said. “No matter what, there is going to be animosity on both sides, and that’s just humanity for you.”
President Donald Trump holds a news conference with Elon Musk to mark the end of the Tesla CEO’s tenure as a special government employee overseeing the U.S. DOGE Service on Friday May 30, 2025 in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington.
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General Motors’ announcement on Tuesday that its upcoming quarterly results will include a $1.6 billion charge from its electric vehicle investments is the latest in a string of troubling EV-related disclosures from big automakers.
Ford CEO Jim Farley said late last month that he expects demand for fully electric vehicles to be slashed in half following the end of a federal tax credit program. His prediction came after Stellantis, the parent company of auto brands including Chrysler and Jeep, said it was scrapping its target of producing nothing but electric vehicles in Europe by 2030, and backed off ambitious targets for the U.S., notably for Chrysler.
The industry, which was already facing hurdles imposed by the Trump administration, faces a hefty dose of uncertainty now that consumers can no longer take advantage of $7,500 tax credits for purchasing EVs. The incentives expired at the end of September as part of President Trump’s signature spending bill.
As automakers reset investor expectations, one name has been notably absent from the conversation: Tesla.
Elon Musk’s company is by far the largest seller of EVs in the U.S., though its market share has been sliding as competition has increased and its brand value has declined. Tesla’s share of the all-electric market in the U.S. was estimated at 43.1% at the end of September, down from 49% at the end of last year, according to data provided to CNBC from Motor Intelligence
Tesla is slated to report third-quarter results next week, and Wall Street will be eager to hear what kind of demand the company expects with the credits no longer available. Tesla recently unveiled stripped-down, lower-cost variants of its popular Model Y SUV and Model 3 sedans, offsetting some of the effective price increases that come with the loss of incentives.
Steve Greenfield, general partner at investment firm Automotive Ventures, said the retreat of legacy automakers from the segment could be good news for Tesla as its market share may start to rebound. He said in an email that the company has “very strong brand loyalty.”
“Chances are, most Tesla buyers will continue to stay in the brand, as they buy their next new car,” Greenfield said.
However, significant challenges loom. Interest in battery electric vehicles “is very likely to shrink dramatically” in the fourth quarter, he said, due to the “pull-ahead of demand,” as consumers rushed to buy EVs before the credit expired. As the year ends, Tesla will likely face a “double whammy,” Greenfield said, from reduced BEV sales and lower margins on the cars they do sell.
Tesla didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Investors have become more bullish. Following a 36% slump in the first quarter, the stock has rallied and is now up more than 7% for the year, aided byMusk’s purchase of about $1 billion worth of Tesla stock in September.
The brutal start to the year was linked to a consumer backlash in the U.S. and Europe in response to Musk’s incendiary political rhetoric, his work for President Trump slashing the federal workforce, and his endorsements of far-right groups including Germany’s AfD party.
Sharing in the pain
In the company’s third-quarter earnings scheduled for next Wednesday, analysts are expecting to see revenue growth of 3.5% from a year earlier to $26.1 billion, according to LSEG. Analysts are projecting a revenue drop in the fourth quarter and a 3.5% slide for all of 2025, which would mark the first full-year decline on record.
Earlier this month, Tesla reported a 7% year-over-year increase in quarterly vehicle deliveries for the third quarter. That marked a turnaround after two consecutive quarterly declines to start the year.
“It’s not just a retreat of everybody else, and Tesla gets to run away with the market,” said Mark Wakefield, global automotive market lead at Alix Partners, in an interview.
Even before the Republican spending bill in July, consumer demand for fully electric vehicles had “already kind of flatlined a bit,” said Wakefield. Car buyers have been looking for a “breakthrough moment” where EVs would become cost competitive with hybrid or gas-powered models.
Wakefield added that “this market needs a sense of newness,” and that the new, lower-priced Model Y and Model 3 options are not exactly “earth shattering.”
The Trump administration isn’t making life easy.
Robbie Orvis, a senior director at Energy Innovation, a nonpartisan climate policy think tank, told CNBC the automakers’ writedowns were expected and stem entirely from policy changes beyond just the tax credits.
The Trump White House has also “revoked California’s waiver to set its own vehicle standards, revoked billions in funding for EV chargers and for auto plants to retool to build EVs, and is in the process of undoing vehicle tailpipe standards that would encourage the adoption of EVs,” Orvis said.
Those policies, along with tariffs, have already caused billions of dollars in losses for U.S. automakers, which means they aren’t in a position to invest in new market segments, Orvis said.
Tesla is experiencing its share of that pain, and it’s showing up most acutely in international markets.
“Chinese automakers are rapidly displacing U.S. automakers in foreign markets as they are able to offer cheaper, higher-quality new cars, particularly EVs, in markets where there is large and growing demand for these cars,” Orvis said.
The Tesla Bot humanoid robot of Tesla ”Optimus” is displayed at the 2023 World Artificial Intelligence Conference in Shanghai, China, July 6, 2023.
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Musk, meanwhile, continues to try and focus investor attention elsewhere.
He insists the future of the company hinges on robotaxis and humanoid robotics, two markets that Tesla has yet to meaningfully crack. Tesla is testing its Robotaxi-branded service in limited capacity in some cities, but is way behind Alphabet’s Waymo, which is rapidly expanding commercial operations.
Musk said in March that Tesla aimed to make 5,000 of its Optimus robots this year, but key departures from the group have thrown that plan into question.
In September, Musk wrote on X that “~80% of Tesla’s value will be Optimus.” Last year, he predicted that Optimus robots would someday turn Tesla into a $25 trillion company, which was equal to more than half of the entire value of the S&P 500 at the time of his comment.
It’s a story that’s compelling enough for some longtime Tesla bulls and Musk fanboys. But at the moment, the company still relies on sales of EVs to drive its business. And in the U.S., while Tesla’s market share may be poised to rise, the overall pie — at least in the near term — appears to be shrinking.
Dario Amodei, co-founder and chief executive officer of Anthropic, at the World Economic Forum in 2025.
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Anthropic on Wednesday announced Claude Haiku 4.5, a small artificial intelligence model that’s available as a lower-cost offering for all of the company’s users.
The model is fast and can outperform other larger models that were considered cutting edge just months ago, Anthropic said.
Claude Haiku 4.5 is better at using computers than Claude Sonnet 4, for instance, which is a midsized model the company launched in May. It performs similarly to Claude Sonnet 4 and OpenAI’s most recent model, GPT-5, at coding, according to SWE-bench Verified, a test set that measures an AI system’s software coding abilities.
“It punches way above its weight,” Mike Krieger, Anthropic’s chief product officer, told CNBC in an interview.
Claude Haiku 4.5 is available to Anthropic’s free users, and it’s now the cheapest model available to paid users.
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Anthropic is an AI startup that develops a family of large language models called Claude. The company assigns new numbers to the models as they advance across generations, but the smallest model in the family is typically called Haiku, the midsized model is called Sonnet and the largest model is Opus.
After OpenAI burst onto the scene with the launch of its chatbot ChatGPT in 2022, Anthropic launched a rival product, Claude, the following year. It’s powered by Anthropic’s family of models, and users can choose between free and paid tiers.
The launch of Claude Haiku 4.5 comes just weeks after the company announced Claude Sonnet 4.5 in September and Claude Opus 4.1 in August. Anthropic is working to release another model, likely an updated version of Opus, by the end of this year or early next year, Krieger said.
For paid users, Haiku models are typically around one-third of the cost of Anthropic’s Sonnet models, while Sonnet models are one-fifth of the cost of its Opus models, Krieger said. Anthropic’s free users can still choose to use Claude Sonnet 4.5, but they’ll get more capacity out of Claude Haiku 4.5 since it’s smaller, he added.
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Claude Sonnet 4.5 is still Anthropic’s best-performing model, but the company said Claude Haiku 4.5 is ideal for users looking for fast, accurate answers.
“Even for my own use, even though it is not as smart as Sonnet, I’ve started defaulting to it on Claude, especially in the mobile app, because it’s just much faster getting an answer,” Krieger said.
The two models can also work together. Anthropic said Claude Sonnet 4.5 can create multi-step plans to solve complex problems, and Claude Haiku 4.5 can complete subtasks within those plans, for example.
Running the models in parallel could be particularly useful for businesses that want to use AI to tackle longer-term projects, Krieger said.
“You could have Haiku monitoring financial streams of data – and because it’s a smaller, cheaper, faster model, it can do that at a higher volume – and then pass off its early insights to Sonnet to do some deeper analysis,” he said.
Anthropic, which was No. 4 on CNBC’s 2025 Disruptor 50 list and is valued at $183 billion, serves more than 300,000 business customers. Its annual revenue run rate is approaching $7 billion this month, according to an Anthropic spokesperson.
The company has been racing to keep up with competitors like Google and OpenAI, whose valuation has swelled to $500 billion. Following the launch of GPT-5 in August, OpenAI has inked several multibillion-dollar infrastructure deals and released a short-form video app called Sora.
The breakneck pace of the industry doesn’t afford Anthropic much time to get comfortable after a launch. While the company was carrying out the training for Claude Sonnet 4.5, it had already kicked off work on Claude Haiku 4.5.
“We’re really firing on all cylinders,” Krieger said.
Travis Hutchison, a soybean farmer, unloads his cargo from his family’s truck at a local grain dealer in Queen Anne, Maryland, on Oct. 10, 2025.
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Here are five key things investors need to know to start the trading day:
1. Transpacific turmoil
The volatile U.S.-China relationship hit another bump yesterday when President Donald Trump said he is considering placing a cooking oil embargo on Beijing in retaliation for it’s refusal to buy U.S. soybeans. The ongoing feud has led to choppy stock market trading over recent days.
Here’s the latest:
In a Truth Social post published shortly before yesterday’s closing bell, Trump wrote that China’s refusal to buy American soybeans is “an Economically Hostile Act.” Trump threatened blocking all business with China “having to do with Cooking Oil.”
China was the top buyer of the U.S. crop last year but has not purchased any soybeans since May, as the countries have sparred over trade policy.
The White House has criticized China in recent days and threatened a new 100% tariff, following China’s tightening of export restrictions for rare earth materials.
U.S. Trade Representative Jamieson Greer told CNBC yesterday that China’s future actions will determine if the higher levies are actually implemented. Meanwhile, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said China’s latest moves are an attempt “to pull everybody else down with them.”
Stocks have whipsawed in recent sessions as investors monitored the latest developments. The S&P 500 ended yesterday’s session in the red after Trump’s post stymied the index’s attempted comeback.
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3. Day 15
Travelers wait to go through security at O’Hare International Airport (ORD) in Chicago, Illinois, US, on Friday Oct. 10, 2025.
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While Trump has repeatedly said that his administration’s mass layoffs are targeting “Democrat Agencies” amid the shutdown, the cuts also appear to be affecting bipartisan efforts. At the Treasury Department — where nearly 1,450 federal employees have received reduction-in-force notices — the entire 83-person staff of the bipartisan-supported Community Development Financial Institutions Fund was cut.
As the shutdown enters its third week, air traffic controllers have handed out leaflets at some airports urging the public to pressure Congress to reopen the government. Some airports meanwhile are refusing to play a video from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem blaming Democrats for the shutdown.
4. Taking off
The Boeing Company at Paris Air Show 2025 in Le Bourget airport.
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With September’s figures now in the books, Boeing is on track for its highest annual plane delivery count since 2018. The company said yesterday that it delivered 55 aircraft last month, bringing its total to 440 airplanes in the first nine months of 2025.
As CNBC’s Leslie Josephs notes, Boeing has been able to stabilize its production following several safety and production crises. Executives are aiming to increase production of Boeing’s pricey 737 Max planes.
Boeing on Tuesday also received approval from European Union antitrust regulators for its $4.7 billion acquisition of Spirit AeroSystems. The plane maker agreed to sell some of Spirit’s businesses to remedy competition concerns.
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5. Cash grab
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The Justice Department seized around $15 billion worth of bitcoin from the cryptocurrency wallets of Chen Zhi, who prosecutors allege ran a large-scale “pig butchering” fraud operation in Cambodia. Zhi, who remains at large, is charged with wire fraud conspiracy and money laundering conspiracy.
It is the largest-ever forfeiture action sought by the DOJ.
The Daily Dividend
Survey results from JPMorgan highlight just how differently Americans in different income brackets view the economy.
— CNBC’s Leslie Josephs, Dan Mangan, Lillian Rizzo, Kevin Breuninger, Spencer Kimball, Jeff Cox and Liz Napolitano contributed to this report. Josephine Rozzelle edited this edition.