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adminLook ma no hands — Are self-driving cars already safer than human drivers? I learned a lot by reading dozens of Waymo and Cruise crash reports.
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August was an eventful month for driverless taxis in San Francisco. On August 10, the California Public Utilities Commission voted to allow Googles Waymo and GMs Cruise to begin charging customers for driverless taxi rides across the city. A week later, Cruise vehicles were involved in two serious crashes within hours of one another. The next day, the California Department of Motor Vehicles demanded that Cruise cut its driverless taxi fleet in half while these crashes were investigated.
A few days later, New York Times reporter Cade Metz appeared on the Timess flagship podcast, The Daily, to discuss these developments and the state of the self-driving industry.
Metz argued that in recent weeks, it has become more and more clear to the people riding the cars, and to other citizens in the city, that they are flawed, that they do make mistakes, that they can gum up traffic, that they can cause accidents.
Of course self-driving cars are flawedall technologies are. The important question is whether self-driving cars are safer than human-driven cars. And here Metz proclaimed ignorance.
We don’t know yet whether it’s safer than a human driver, he said.
But we actually do know a fair amount about the safety of driverless taxis. Waymo and Cruise have driven a combined total of 8 million driverless miles (a Waymo spokeswoman told me the company has completed more than 4 million driverless miles, and Cruise has said the same). That includes more than 4 million in San Francisco since the start of 2023. And because California law requires self-driving companies to report every significant crash, we know a lot about how theyve performed.
For this story, I read through every crash report Waymo and Cruise filed in California this year, as well as reports each company filed about the performance of their driverless vehicles (with no safety drivers) prior to 2023. In total, the two companies reported 102 crashes involving driverless vehicles. That may sound like a lot, but they happened over roughly 6 million miles of driving. That works out to one crash for every 60,000 miles, which is about five years of driving for a typical human motorist.
These were overwhelmingly low-speed collisions that did not pose a serious safety risk. A large majority appeared to be the fault of the other driver. This was particularly true for Waymo, whose biggest driving errors included side-swiping an abandoned shopping cart and clipping a parked cars bumper while pulling over to the curb.
Cruises record is not impressive as Waymos, but theres still reason to think its technology is on par withand perhaps better thana human driver.
Human beings drive close to 100 million miles between fatal crashes, so it will take hundreds of millions of driverless miles for 100 percent certainty on this question. But the evidence for better-than-human performance is starting to pile up, especially for Waymo. Its important for policymakers to allow this experiment to continue because, at scale, safer-than-human driving technology would save a lot of lives. Waymos impressive safety record EnlargeWaymo
Back in February, Waymo released a report celebrating its first million miles of fully driverless operation, which mostly occurred in the suburbs of Phoenix. Waymos autonomous vehicles (AVs) experienced 20 crashes during those first million miles. Here are some representative examples: A passenger car backed out of a parking space and made contact with the Waymo AV. An SUV backed out of a driveway and made contact with the Waymo AV. The vehicle that had been previously stopped behind the Waymo proceeded forward, making contact with the rear bumper of the Waymo AV. A passenger car that had been stopped behind the Waymo AV passed the Waymo AV on the left. The passenger cars rear passenger side door made contact with the driver side rear of the Waymo AV.
In short, these were mostly low-speed collisions initiated by the other diver.
There were only two cases where a Waymo ran into another vehicle. In one, a motorcyclist in the next lane lost control and fell off their bike. The driverless Waymo slammed on its brakes but couldnt avoid hitting the now-riderless motorcycle at 8 miles per hour. In the other case, another vehicle cut in front of the Waymo, and the AV braked hard but couldnt avoid a collision.
There were two crashes that Waymo thought were serious enough for inclusion in a federal crash database. The more serious of these was when another driver rear-ended a Waymo while looking at their phone.
One of Waymos biggest challenges during its first million miles was avoiding inanimate objects. Waymo vehicles bumped into a construction pylon, a parking lot barrier arm, and a shopping cartall at speeds of between 8 and 13 miles per hour. Clearly, Waymo needs to do a better job of recognizing irregularly shaped objects like these. But when it comes to interacting with other vehicles, Waymo had a basically spotless driving record over those first million miles.
Now lets look at how Waymo has done in San Francisco since the start of 2023. Waymo is still struggling to avoid inanimate objects. Its vehicles collided with cardboard road debris and a chain connecting a sign to a temporary pole. A Waymo also drove into a pothole that was big enough to puncture a tire. And there were two incidents where Waymos scraped parked vehicles. Thats a total of five crashes where the Waymo vehicle was clearly at fault.
The rest of Waymos driverless crashes in San Francisco during 2023 do not seem to have been Waymos fault. I count 11 low-speed crashes where another vehicle rear-ended a Waymo, backed into a stopped Waymo, or scraped a stopped Waymo while trying to squeeze by. There was also an incident where a Waymo got sideswiped by another vehicle changing lanes.
Waymo had two more serious crashes in San Francisco this year: A driverless Waymo was trying to turn left, but another car proceeded into the intersection from the left and made contact with the left side of the Waymo AV. An SUV rear-ended a Waymo hard enough that the passenger in the Waymo reported injuries.
I should also mention the Waymo crash that killed a dog back in May. I didnt mention this earlier because Ive been focusing on driverless vehicles and the Waymo that hit the dog had a safety driver behind the wheel. But this crash is worth mentioning since its one of the most serious ones Waymo has experienced. Advertisement
In an emailed statement, Waymo said that it reviewed the event from many different perspectives and concluded there was no way either Waymos software or a human driver could have avoided hitting the dog. Waymo hasnt provided the public with enough information to verify this claim, but I hope California regulators check Waymos work if they havent done so already. We dont have great data on the safety of human drivers
To sum up, Waymos driverless fleet has experienced: 17 low-speed collisions where another vehicle hit a stationary Waymo 9 collisions where another vehicle rear-ended a Waymo 2 collisions where a Waymo got sideswiped by another vehicle 2 collisions where a Waymo got cut off and wasnt able to brake quickly enough 2 low-speed collisions with stationary vehicles 7 low-speed collisions with inanimate objects like shopping carts and potholes
There are two things to notice about this list. First, other vehicles ran into Waymos 28 times, compared to just four times a Waymo ran into another vehicle (and Waymo says its vehicle got cut off in two of these cases). Second, Waymo was only involved in three or four serious crashes, and none of them appear to have been Waymos fault.
This is impressive because thesestatistics reflect more than 2 million miles of driving (a Waymo spokeswoman told me the company has logged more than 1 million miles in San Francisco since the start of 2023). The National Highway Traffic Safety Board estimates that there are around 6 million car crashes reported to the police each year. Americans drive around 3 trillion miles per year, so roughly speaking, a major crash occurs on the roads once every 500,000 miles.
Most crashes involve two vehicles. So if Waymos vehicles drove as well as a typical human driver, youd expect it to be involved in around eight serious crashes over 2 million miles of driving.
Its important to emphasize that theres a lot of uncertainty about these figures.
We know very little about the safety of our roads, the legal scholar Bryant Walker Smith told me. If we’re looking at just crashes, given how little information is carefully collected and studied, we don’t have any sense of the circumstances of these low-level crashes.
Not all crasheseven serious onesare reported to the police.
Moreover, Smith said, these companies are not driving a representative sample of miles.
Both Waymo and Cruise have their driverless cars avoid freeways, which tend to have fewer crashes per mile of driving. Both companies are active in San Francisco, which has more chaotic streets than most US cities.
On the other hand, a small minority of driversincluding teenagers, elderly people, and drunk driversaccount for a disproportionate share of crashes. An alert and experienced driver gets into crashes at a rate well below the national average. So if we want AVs to drive as well as an alert and experienced driver, we’ll want to set the bar higher than the national average.
With all that said, it seems that Waymo cars get into serious crashes at a significantly lower rate than human-driven cars. Ill have more to say about this after we look at Cruises safety record. Cruise has room for improvement EnlargeCruise
Cruise released a report back in April about its first million driverless miles. The company reported 36 crashes, compared to 20 for Waymos first million driverless miles. I wouldnt put too much stock into that difference, since Cruise was operating mainly in San Francisco, a more chaotic driving environment than the Phoenix suburbs where Waymo started out.
So far in 2023, Cruise has filed an additional 27 crash reports related to its fully driverless cars. What follows is a summary of all 63 crashes Cruise reported through August 25. Ill also count a widely publicized August 17 crash with a fire truck even though theres still no report on this crash on the website of the California Department of Motor Vehicles.
Like Waymo, Cruise has had trouble with its vehicles hitting inanimate objects. Two Cruise vehicles ran into downed power cables. Cruise vehicles also ran into a scooter (without someone on it), a tow dolly on the back of a double-parked truck, a motorized articulating boom lift, and a pothole. The pothole punctured a tire, causing the Cruise AV to swerve into a parked car.
Cruise has also experienced a large number of low-speed crashes where another vehicle (including a scooter in one case and a skateboarder in another) either rear-ended a Cruise AV, backed into one at low speeds, or scraped the side of a Cruise while trying to pass it.
There were also a few rare situations: A Cruise vehicle was stuck in a sideshow event and stationary with vehicles driving around it on either side. (A sideshow is an illegal late-night show where young people perform donuts and other stunts in an intersection.) One of the other cars ran into the Cruise AV. An Infinity Q50 was performing donuts in an intersection before crashing into a Cruise vehicle. A driver drove the wrong way down a one-way street while staring at a phone. The car hit a stopped Cruise vehicle facing the right way.
There were about a dozen side-swipe events where another vehicle either ran into the Cruise AV from the side during a lane change or tried to make a turn from a middle lane, crossing the path of the Cruise AV. Most of these crashes occurred during Cruises first million miles, so Cruise may be getting better at handling these situations.
Its important to note that Cruise has logged more than four million miles in San Francisco, so Cruises crash reports represent roughly twice as many miles as Waymos. Once you adjust for that, Waymo and Cruise seem to have been involved in low-stakes crashes at similar rates.
For example, Cruise vehicles got rear-ended 17 times over about 4 million miles, while Waymo vehicles got rear-ended seven times over roughly 2 million miles. That makes sense given that Cruise drove twice as many miles and that Waymo logged almost half of its miles in the tame Phoenix suburbs.
But even taking those differences into account, there are a couple areas where Cruises performance does not seem to be on par with Waymo.
One is significant crashes where Cruise was clearly at fault. I saw three examples of this: A Cruise AV mistakenly thought the vehicle ahead of it was starting to turn left. The Cruise ran into the other vehicle when it turned right instead. A Cruise AV changed lanes when there wasnt enough space to do so, cutting off another vehicle and leading to a crash. A Cruise AV ran into the back of a city bus. Cruise subsequently determined that its software got confused because it was an articulated bus (the kind with an accordion joint in the middle) and Cruises software couldnt handle two parts of a vehicle moving in slightly different directions. Advertisement
Each of these mistakes strikes me as more serious than any of Waymos mistakes (recall that all of Waymos clearly at-fault crashes were low-speed collisions with inanimate objects or parked vehicles). Cruise might have a problem with intersections Enlarge
Cruises other trouble spot is intersections. Cruise says two bicyclists have run stop signs and crashed into Cruise vehicles. And there have been five vehicles that ran red lights and crashed into Cruise vehicles: This Mercedes sedan This Volkswagen hatchback This Infinity Q60 This Dodge Charger This fire truck with its sirens blaring
A passenger in that last Cruise AV was taken to the hospital; Cruise described their injuries as non-severe.
Perhaps all of these crashes (with the possible exception of the fire truck) were the fault of the other drivers (and cyclists). Still, its interesting that over two million miles of driverless operation, no Waymo AVs got hit by cars running red lights or bicycles running stop signs.
Again, this may be partly because Cruise has driven more milesand especially more miles in San Francisco. Also, Cruise has largely operated at night, when there might be more impaired drivers on the road.
But I think there might be something else going on here.
A couple of years ago, Waymo published research exploring the potential for self-driving cars to prevent crashes by anticipating the reckless behavior of other drivers. Waymo researchers obtained detailed records about fatal crashes that occurred in and around the Phoenix suburb of Chandler (where Waymo launched its first driverless taxi service). Waymo then hired an independent engineering firm to create detailed digital reconstructions of these crashes. Then the company loaded this data into its simulator to explore how Waymos self-driving software would have reacted in the seconds preceding each crash.
Waymo found its software could prevent every crash if it took the role of the initiator, the vehicle whose erratic behavior set the crash in motion. More surprisingly, Waymo also found its software could prevent 82 percent of crashes playing the role of the other driver.
The most common setting for fatal crashes in this data set was intersectionsincluding a number of vehicles running red lights. Waymo found that when its software played the role of the other driver, it was able to avoid crashes in 81 percent of scenarios at intersections.
In the wake of the Cruise collision with a ire truck on August 17, Waymo told industry analyst Brad Templeton that its vehicles would have handled the situation better than Cruise did:
When we hear sirens, our vehicle will slow and then depending on how the situation develops, we will either pull over or stop ahead of intersections where there might be crossing emergency vehicles, even if we have a green light. The system is designed to remain cautious and not enter an intersection if it is still reasoning whether the emergency vehicle is approaching the intersection based on what it is sensing.
I think technology like this may explain why Waymo has been successful at avoiding major crashes at intersections. Not only do Waymos vehicles follow the letter of the law (like stopping at red lights), they may also try to anticipate and avoid dangerous situations (like vehicles running red lights).
Cruise vehicles do not seem especially cautious about intersections. For example, a Reddit user posted a video from August 22 showing a Cruise vehicle crossing an intersection several seconds after the opposing traffic got a green light. Cruise says its vehicle was already in the intersection when its light turned red so the vehicle didnt break the law. Maybe thats technically trueIm not an expert on California traffic law. But Im pretty sure it would have been safer for the car to stay where it was and wait for the next green light. Cruises technology is pretty good, but Waymos is better Enlarge / Waymo tested its technology for more than 20 million miles before launching a driverless service.
The bottom line is that Im convinced that Waymo vehicles drive more safely than Cruise vehicles. This isnt surprising; Waymo started its life as the Google self-driving project several years before Cruise was founded. Back in 2020, Waymo announced it had completed 20 million miles of on-road testing (almost all of them with safety drivers). The same year, Cruise reached 2 million miles.
In short, Waymo has invested more time and resources into its technology. It would be surprising if all that extra work didnt yield superior performance. With that said, I dont want to be too negative about Cruise. Because while the companys technology doesnt seem to be as good as Waymos, its still pretty good.
Earlier, I discussed why its so difficult to develop a good benchmark for human driving performance. We only know about crashes that get reported to the police or other authorities, giving us a patchy understanding of how many crashes really occur.
Cruise tried to address this problem by hiring a team of prominent academic researchers to study the driving behavior of ride-hail drivers in San Francisco. The researchers examined 5.6 million miles of data and concluded that collisions involving San Francisco ride-hail drivers occur about once every 20,000 miles. That includes a lot of minor crashes that wouldnt be reported to police.
Based on this data, Cruise claimed that over its first million miles, its vehicles crashed 56 percent less often per mile than a typical human driver. Moreover, Cruise estimated that its cars were 73 percent less likely to be in a crash with a risk of a serious injury and 93 percent less likely to be the primary contributor to a crash.
One should take these conclusions with a grain of salt given that the research was commissioned by Cruise. But they dont seem crazy. Cruise vehicles really do seem to crash into other vehicles much less often than vice versa. So I wouldnt be surprised if Cruise vehicles already drive more safely than the average human driver. The need for real-world testing
The big question for policymakers is whether to allow Waymo and Cruise to continue and even expand their services. This should be an easy call with respect to Waymo, which seems to be safer than a human driver already. The faster Waymo scales up, the more crashes can be prevented.
I think Cruises tech is probably safer than a human driver too, but its a closer call. I could imagine changing my mind in the coming months as more data comes in.
Still, its important to remember that access to public roads is essential for testing and improving self-driving technology. This is not a technology Waymo or Cruise can meaningfully test in the lab. The companies need exposure to the full complexity of real public streets in order to make progress. And given that both companies are likely to eventually develop products that are much safer than human drivers, slowing down the development of the technology could easily cost more lives than it saves.
So while the DMVs decision to cut the size of Cruises fleet in the wake of the August 17 crashes was understandable, I hope the decision is short-lived. Ultimately the only way for Cruise to improve its technology is by testing it on public roads. And well all benefit from the widespread availability of self-driving cars that are dramatically safer than human drivers.
One easy way for policymakers to improve safetyor at least accountabilitywould to require self-driving companies to be more even more transparent about their safety records. This story relied heavily on Californias excellent website that publishes all of the Waymo and Cruise crash reports. Id love for the California Department of Motor Vehicles to go a step further and require self-driving companies to submit video footage of the seconds before and after each crash. That way, members of the public could evaluate whether companies descriptions of crashes are accurate.
It would also be very helpful for regulators in other statesor perhaps federal officialsto require the same kind of crash reporting that they have in California. For example, Waymo is running a substantial driverless taxi service in Phoenix, but we know very little about how well Waymo’s AVs have performed there in recent months. More transparency here and in other states could help to build public trust.
Tim Lee was on staff at Ars from 2017 to 2021. He recently launched a new newsletter,Understanding AI. It explores how AI works and how it’s changing our world. You can subscribe to his newsletterhere. reader comments 347 with Timothy B. Lee Timothy is a senior reporter covering tech policy and the future of transportation. He lives in Washington DC. Advertisement Promoted Comments Tim Lee The 2 final paragraphs should have been at the top, since they cast doubt on all of the stats the author uses to tell us how safe Waymo and Cruise vehicles are. We are only seeing very partial data from these companies in only some cities where they operate, and no crash video (because that would be too outrageous, presumably). WaPo noted on Aug 10 that even in CA they "are not required to report a range of other incidents that affect the public such as when a car veers into a bike or bus lane or stops short and disrupts traffic." They also don’t report "the many other examples of issues the cars have run into when they were operating in manual mode, or after the autonomous car was taken over by a human driver," say, at the last moment to avoid a crash.
Basically, the data from AV companies used in this article is inherently poor and incomplete. That the author uses it to declare his confidence before getting to just a few of the many caveats that reduce its value? Not great science journalism.Hi, a couple of important clarifications:
My analysis is specifically fcused on driverless miles in the cases where Waymo and Cruise have published a complete record of their crashes. That’s the first million miles for both Waymo and Cruise, plus miles in San Francisco since those first million miles. I’m ignoring miles since early 2023 in states other than California precisely because the companies aren’t required to report every crash. So while it’s true that the crash data I used doesn’t cover every single driverless miles they’ve driven, I’m doing an apples-to-apples comparison in the sense that the numerator (number of crashes) matches up with the denominator (miles that produced those crashes).
Specifically, I counted:
Waymo’s first million miles (mostly in Phoenix) Cruise’s first million miles (mostly in SF) Cruise miles in SF since January 2023 (around 3 million) Waymo miles in SF since January 2023 (more than 1 million)
I did not factor in the 1-2 million miles of driving in Phoenix in 2023 because Waymo has not published complete crash statistics for those miles.
Also all analysis is specifically focused on fully driverless miles where there was no one in the driver’s seat. So "the many other examples of issues the cars have run into when they were operating in manual mode, or after the autonomous car was taken over by a human driver" are not factored into the analysis, but I also don’t give Waymo and Cruise "credit" for those miles. The 4, 6, and 8 million mile figures I cite near the beginning of the piece are fully driverless miles where there was no safety driver to take over in case of emergency. September 1, 2023 at 1:27 pm TimothyAWiseman The fact that these cars keep getting rear-ended tells me that they have an unreasonable tendency to slam on the brakes / otherwise stop in an unpredictable fashion.No. I have been rear ended 3 times. Twice I was stopped at a red and the driver behind me was simply inattentive. I was completely predictable and in fact required to be stopped.
The other was when someone in front of me slammed on their breaks to avoid hitting an animal that ran into the road. I managed to stop in time, the person behind me didn’t. While I suppose I was unpredictable that time, it was a necessary and unavoidable unpredictability.
The only time I have rear-ended someone else was when I was first learning to use a stick-shift. I hit the clutch instead of the brake. The driver in front of me was behaving perfectly predictably and it was entirely my fault.
Also, notably, 0 of those incidents were reported to police and only two were even reported to insurance. If you are relying on public records, it would look like I have never been in rear-end collision while at least in California the autonomous cars are required to report all of theirs. September 1, 2023 at 4:59 pm Channel Ars Technica ← Previous story Next story → Related Stories Today on Ars

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In common with many parents across the country, here’s a conversation that I have with my young daughter on a semi-regular basis (bear with me, this will take on some political relevance eventually).
Me: “So it’s 15 minutes until your bedtime, you can either have a little bit of TV or do a jigsaw, not both.”
Daughter: “Ummmm, I want to watch TV.”
Me: “That’s fine, but it’s bed after that, you can’t do a jigsaw as well.”
Fast-forward 15 minutes.
Me: “Right, TV off now please, bedtime.”
(Pause)
Daughter: “I want to do a jigsaw.”
Now replace me with the government, the TV and jigsaw options with axing welfare cuts and scrapping the two-child cap, and my daughter with rebellious backbenchers.
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That is the tension currently present between Downing Street and Labour MPs. And my initial ultimatum is the messaging being pumped out from the government this weekend.
In essence: you’ve had your welfare U-turn, so there’s no money left for the two-child cap to go as well.
As an aside – and before my inbox fills with angry emails lambasting me for using such a crude metaphor for policies that fundamentally alter the lives of some of the most vulnerable in society – yes, I hear you, and that’s part of my point.
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Welfare U-turn ‘has come at cost’
For many in Labour, this approach feels like the lives of their constituents are being used in a childish game of horse-trading.
So what can be done?
Well, the government could change the rules.
Altering the fiscal rules is – and will likely remain – an extremely unlikely solution. But as it happens, one of Labour’s proverbial grandparents has just popped round with a different suggestion.
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Welfare: ‘Didn’t get process right’ – PM
A wealth tax, Lord Neil Kinnock says, is the necessary outcome of the economic restrictions the party has placed on itself.
Ever the Labour storyteller, Lord Kinnock believes this would allow the government to craft a more compelling narrative about whose side this administration is on.
That could be valuable, given one of the big gripes from many backbench critics is that they still don’t really understand what this prime minister stands for – and by extension, what all these “difficult decisions” are in aid of.
The downside is whether it will actually raise much money.
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The super-rich may have lots of assets to take a slice from, but they also have expensive lawyers ready to find novel ways to keep their client’s cash away from the prying eyes of the state.
Or, of course, they could just leave – as many are doing already.
In the short term, the future is a bit easier to predict.
If Downing Street is indeed now saying there is no money to scrap the two-child cap (after heavy briefing in the opposite direction just weeks ago), an almighty tantrum from the backbenches is inevitable.
And as every parent knows, the more you give in, the harder it becomes to hold the line.

Questions have been raised over extreme weather warnings in Texas, after heavy rain caused fatal flash floods along the Guadalupe River.
At least 51 people have died from the flooding in Texas, with an unknown number of people – including 27 girls from Camp Mystic in Kerr County – still missing.
As rescue teams continue to search for the missing, local and federal officials have come under fire over their flood preparations and about why those along the river weren’t warned of the risks sooner.

A map showing the Guadalupe River in Kerr County, which burst from heavy rain and caused flash flooding

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What happened?
As much as 10ins (25cm) of heavy rain fell in just a few hours overnight in central Kerr County on Friday, causing the banks of the Guadalupe River to burst at around 4am local time.
Homes and vehicles were swept away by the downpour – equivalent to months’ worth of rain – while 27 girls staying at Camp Mystic, a Christian summer camp along the river, went missing when the fast-rising floodwaters hit.
The death toll stands at:
• At least 43 people, including 15 children and 28 adults, in Kerr County,
• One person in Kendall County,
• At least four people in Travis County,
• At least two in Burnet County,
• And one person in the city of San Angelo.
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Private forecasting company AccuWeather said it and the National Weather Service (NWS) sent warnings about potential flash flooding hours before it began, urging people to move to higher ground and evacuate flood-prone areas.
The NWS also issued flash flood emergencies – a rare alert notifying of imminent danger – at 4.23am local time.
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In a statement, AccuWeather said that “these warnings should have provided officials with ample time to evacuate camps such as Camp Mystic and get people to safety”.
It also called Texas Hill County one of the most flash-flood-prone areas of the US because of its terrain and many water crossings.
However, chief of the Texas Division of Emergency Management Nim Kidd said that one NWS forecast earlier in the week had called for up to six inches of rain.
“It did not predict the amount of rain that we saw,” he said.
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Were they enough?
Locals have told various news agencies that while there had been phone alerts late into the night, forecasts headed into Friday evening did not predict the extreme conditions.
Christopher Flowers, who was staying at a friend’s house along the river when the flooding started, told the Reuters news agency: “What they need is some kind of external system, like a tornado warning that tells people to get out now.”
Kerrville resident Darryl Huffman told Sky’s US partner network NBC News that he did not believe the storm would pose such danger before its arrival.
“I looked out the window and it was barely sprinkling outside,” he said, “so I had no indication that the river was going to be right outside my driveway”.

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Jonathan Porter, chief meteorologist at AccuWeather, said it appeared evacuations and other proactive measures could have been undertaken to reduce the risk of fatalities.
He said in a statement: “People, businesses, and governments should take action based on Flash Flood Warnings that are issued, regardless of the rainfall amounts that have occurred or are forecast.”
Separately, the NWS’s union told NBC News the agency’s offices in central Texas were well-staffed and had issued timely warnings, “giving preliminary lead times of more than three hours before warning criteria were met”.
What have officials said?
Local and federal officials have said they had not expected such an intense downpour of rain and insisted that no one saw the flood potential coming.
Kerr County Judge Rob Kelly, the county’s top elected official, said: “We know we get rain. We know the river rises. But nobody saw this coming.”
“We have floods all the time. This is the most dangerous river valley in the United States,” he said, adding: “We had no reason to believe this was going to be anything like what’s happened here. None whatsoever.”
Mr Kelly separately noted that while the county considered a flood warning system along the river that would have functioned like a tornado warning siren about six or seven years ago, “the public reeled at the cost”.
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At a news conference with the Texas governor, Homeland Security secretary Kristi Noem said on Saturday that “everybody knows that the weather is extremely difficult to predict” before saying “we have all wanted more time and more warning and more alerts and more notification” from the NWS.
She said a “moderate” flood watch issued on Thursday by the NWS had not accurately predicted the extreme rainfall and said the Trump administration was working to upgrade their technology.

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Will forecasting get better?
While Ms Noem said technology for the NWS would be upgraded, the White House has previously been criticised after Donald Trump‘s administration ordered 800 job cuts at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) – the parent organisation of the NWS.
A 30% cut to its budget is also in the pipeline, subject to approval by Congress.
Professor Costa Samaras, who worked on energy policy at the White House under President Joe Biden, said NOAA had been in the middle of developing new flood maps for neighbourhoods and that cuts to NOAA were “devastating”.
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Astronomers Discover 3I/ATLAS, Largest Interstellar Comet Yet Detected
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Astronomers have discovered the third interstellar comet to pass through our solar system. Named 3I/ATLAS (initially A11pl3Z), it was first spotted July 1 by the ATLAS telescope in Chile and confirmed the same day. Pre-discovery images show it in the sky as far back as mid-June. The object is racing toward the inner system at roughly 150,000 miles per hour on a near-straight trajectory, too fast for the Sun to capture. Estimates suggest its nucleus may be 10–20 km across. Now inside Jupiter’s orbit, 3I/ATLAS will swing closest to the Sun in October and should remain observable into late 2025.
Discovery and Classification
According to NASA, in early July the ATLAS survey telescope in Chile spotted a faint moving object first called A11pl3Z, and the IAU’s Minor Planet Center confirmed the next day that it was an interstellar visitor. The object was officially named 3I/ATLAS and noted as likely the largest interstellar body yet detected. At first it appeared to be an ordinary near-Earth asteroid, but precise orbit measurements showed it speeding at ~150,000 mph – far too fast for the Sun to capture. Astronomers estimate 3I/ATLAS spans roughly 10–20 km across. Signs of cometary activity – a faint coma and short tail – have emerged, earning it the additional comet designation C/2025 N1 (ATLAS).
Studying a Pristine Comet
3I/ATLAS was spotted well before its closest approach, giving astronomers time to prepare detailed observations. It will pass within about 1.4 AU of the Sun in late October. Importantly, researchers can study it while it is still a pristine frozen relic before solar heating alters it. As Pamela Gay notes, discovering the object on its inbound leg leaves “ample time” to analyze its trajectory. Astronomers are now racing to obtain spectra and images – as Chris Lintott warns, the comet will be “baked” by sunlight as it nears perihelion.
Determining its composition and activity is considered “a rare chance” to learn how planets form in other star systems. With new facilities like the Vera C. Rubin Observatory coming online, researchers expect more such visitors in the years ahead. 3I/ATLAS offers a rare chance to study material from another star system.
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