On Sept. 13, Flexport founder Ryan Petersen took the stage at North America’s premier supply chain conference in Phoenix. It was exactly a week after he’d forced out his hand-picked successor as CEO, ex-Amazon executive Dave Clark, so Petersen could once again run the show.
Sitting in the first few rows of attendees was Clark, the man he’d ousted just a year into the job. Petersen was surprised that he showed up, according to people with knowledge of the matter. Days earlier, Petersen had excoriated Clark, alleging he’d secretly expanded the company’s headcount and taken on unnecessary leases without Petersen or the board’s knowledge. On X, formerly known as Twitter, Petersen wrote, “Strategic Plan, Day 1: Make better decisions!”
With Clark sitting a few feet away, Petersen struck a different tone.
“I think we’re going to look back and go, ‘Wow I’d probably do that all over again because of the progress that we’ve made,'” Petersen said, in an interview on stage.
Doing it over again would seem to suggest hiring Clark wasn’t a bad decision. Petersen went even further, personally commending Clark for orchestrating the $1.3 billion purchase of Deliverr from Shopify, picking up supply chain technology for last-mile deliveries. That deal was announced in May.
“I’m very, very lucky because I wouldn’t have had the courage to go and do that acquisition, but I give all the credit in the world to Dave Clark,” Petersen said. “There’s no one probably in the world who would be better at running that last-mile e-com fulfillment network. Personally, I don’t have any experience and I would’ve been pretty intimidated to try and go pull that off.”
The mixed messaging from the 43-year-old Flexport founder underscores the dysfunction surrounding the sudden firing of Clark, who previously spent 23 years at Amazon and built its mammoth logistics network on the way to becoming one of Jeff Bezos‘ top deputies. It’s also indicative of a bigger challenge facing Flexport, whose software is designed to simplify the process of transporting goods. The company was valued at $8 billion by private investors in early 2022, just as the economy was turning and the 10-year tech bull market was coming to an end.
As a high-valued company backed by powerful VCs, Flexport has been trying to simultaneously operate in Silicon Valley startup growth mode while also restraining expenses to reflect the new economic realities and to cope with supply chain bottlenecks.
This account is based on conversations with people close to Clark and Petersen. They requested anonymity to discuss confidential interactions. Their perspectives have been corroborated by internal documents and communications reviewed by CNBC.
Petersen has publicly said Clark overspent, overhired and overpromised, something his allies echoed to CNBC. He burned through cash and kept Petersen in the dark about key financials and an ambitious expansion into providing end-to-end supply chain tools for small and medium-sized businesses. People close to Petersen pointed to a number of previously unreported incidents that eroded his confidence in Clark.
But documents viewed by CNBC and sources close to Clark undermine those claims. They show that Clark, who arrived when the company was struggling to bill customers and track containers, worked closely with the board and Petersen to implement decisions that Flexport now suggests were ill-advised.
Evidence to support Flexport’s claims of financial mismanagement is lacking, raising questions about whether that narrative was put forward to justify Clark’s exit.
A Flexport spokesperson rejected that characterization.
“Ryan Petersen returned as CEO in order to restore Flexport’s culture of customer engagement, and drive the growth and cost discipline required to return the company to profitability,” the spokesperson said in a statement.
Get IPO ready
Clark arrived last year as the perfect hire for a tech startup trying to disrupt the age-old logistics industry. He’d built Amazon’s logistics unit into a juggernaut that rivaled carriers like UPS and FedEx.
Ryan Petersen, chief executive officer of Flexport, participates in a panel discussion during the Milken Institute Global Conference in Beverly Hills, California, U.S., on Wednesday, May 4, 2022.
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Since 2021, Petersen had been seeking a successor for Flexport’s then-operating chief, Sanne Manders, in part to address what several ex-employees described as lingering issues with the company’s troubled billing processes. Fixing that was Clark’s job.
Petersen and Clark worked together as co-CEOs for the first six months. In March, Petersen transitioned to executive chairman.
The co-CEO arrangement would free Petersen up to do what he loved – “getting beers with customers,” in the words of two former Flexport employees. Clark, a self-described “builder at heart,” was at the wheel.
Among Clark’s goals was to help Petersen prepare Flexport for an IPO, something the company had discussed doing within a two- to three-year window, according to a person familiar with the matter and documents viewed by CNBC.
“There’s a perfect complement of skill sets,” Petersen told Forbes in June 2022. “Mine are much more creative, zero-to-one founder time, and Dave is the supreme executor and a legend in the supply chain world.”
Buying Deliverr was meant to be the first step in turning Flexport into a more full-scale logistics service for its customers.
Shopify had acquired Deliverr in May 2022 for $2.1 billion. But the e-commerce software company was getting hammered by Wall Street as its Covid pandemic pop faded. By January 2023, CEO Tobias Lutke knew he needed to get rid of Deliverr. Around that time, Lutke first approached Petersen to float the possibility of a deal, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Petersen told Clark he should engage with Shopify’s team,according to a person with direct knowledge of the negotiations. Initial talks fell apart, but resumed when Flexport executives learned that Shopify was about to execute deep cost cuts and was eager to sell Deliverr.
Clark and Petersen flew to Miami to meet with Shopify’s leadership. As a transaction was nearing, Clark, who had a reputation as a deft negotiator, got Shopify, which was already an investor in Flexport, to sweeten it with $40 million in cash and the framework for a $260 million convertible note that could help Flexport on its path to an IPO, according to an internal document analyzing the deal.
The sale would be announced alongside Shopify’s first-quarter earnings report on May 4.
“We did not change the terms of a deal or rush it just to have it line up with an earnings call,” Shopify said in a statement. With Flexport, “we are tightly mission-aligned to ensure the success of our merchants, which is why we chose to deepen our partnership with them earlier this year.”
The night before the announcement, Petersen appeared at a “Tech Talk” at Flexport’s Bellevue, Washington, office to pitch the “Flexport vision” to hundreds of people. An attendee asked Petersen whether Flexport would ever get into last-mile logistics.
Petersen paused, glanced at his watch, and said to keep an eye on the morning news, according to a Flexport employeewho witnessed the exchange and by a person who was told independently.
The comment alarmed Clark and Flexport executives, who were concerned that Petersen had disclosed material nonpublic information about a publicly traded company, according to people familiar with the matter.
Petersen didn’t respond to calls or messages from CNBC, and the company declined to make him available for an interview. A Flexport spokesperson didn’t respond to CNBC’s question about whether Petersen was aware of concerns about his statement at the event.
The ‘whistleblower’
Clark’s first quarterly board meeting as sole CEO was June 1. His second was Aug. 31, days before he was forced out.
The board was made up largely of investors who were betting on the founder. It included Founders Fund’s Trae Stephens, who had helped start defense-tech firm Anduril Industries, and Michael Ronen, who left SoftBank in 2020. Andreessen Horowitz was represented by Bob Swan, an operating partner at the firm and former CEO of Intel.
Bob Swan, then-interim chief executive officer and chief financial officer of Intel Corp., reacts during the inauguration of the company’s research and development facility in Bengaluru, India, on November 15, 2018.
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For much of the summer, Clark had pushed then-CFO Kenny Wagers and his financial planning and analysis team to realign Flexport’s year-end and 18-month forecasts, according to a person close to the situation.
The reasons were obvious. At the beginning of 2022, it cost around $14,500 to move a single container across the Pacific. By late 2022, prices of ocean freight from Asia to the U.S. West Coast were down 90% from a year earlier, due largely to weakening global demand. Because Flexport makes money by charging fees for the transportation of goods, the company’s business was getting hammered.
But Wagers and Stuart Leung, a Flexport finance executive and a close Petersen ally, were reluctant to pare back forecasts, frustrating Clark, who felt those projections were overly optimistic.
Wagers and Leung did not respond to CNBC’s interview requests.
Clark ultimately prevailed, but the revised forecasts distressed Petersen. Clark, Petersen and Wagers met in Texas in mid-August to fine-tune the forecasts.
A source close to Petersen told CNBC that the meeting went poorly for Clark because a so-called whistleblower — identified as a senior finance executive — stepped forward shortly before it began and told Petersen that the numbers being presented were “not real.”
The source referred to the senior finance executive as a whistleblower because of the information he disclosed to Petersen about Clark.
Documents seen by CNBC and conversations with people with direct knowledge of the board meeting make it clear that there were no substantiated whistleblower actionsor allegations of financial impropriety.
Flexport’s spokesperson told CNBC in a statement: “There was no whistleblower nor was there any financial misconduct. Any allegations to the contrary are completely false.”
On Sept. 15, shortly after CNBC spoke with the Petersen source, legal counsel for Clark sent a cease-and-desist letter to Flexport. The letter, viewed by CNBC, instructed the company to preserve and retain all communications involving Clark’s departure. The letter disputes the existence of a whistleblower and lists specific allegations as false and defamatory, including Petersen’s claims that Clark was an unfit CEO because he overextended the company’s lease obligations.
Five hours after the letter was sent, the source close to Petersen contacted CNBC and asked to retract their statements and all details related to Clark’s firing or about the so-called whistleblower. CNBC declined to retract his statements.
Petersen has since deleted several of his posts criticizing Clark.
Dave Clark, Amazon’s former senior vice president of worldwide operations.
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The letter cited two documents that had been presented to the board. Both were viewed by CNBC. The first was a pre-acquisition financial analysis of the Deliverr deal, and the second was a review of Flexport’s first-quarter numbers. The Deliverr analysis was presented by the co-CEOs to the board for their approval and was shaped by multiple prior board meetings.
Clark’s camp suggested that other factors may have led to the abrupt firing.
For example, politics.
Days after Clark was ousted, Petersen sent him a message — seen by CNBC — blasting one of his key female executives for wasting her days at the company on “far left-wing political activism.” The executive is a registered Republican.
Stephens, the Founders Fund partner, also shared his contempt for that executive weeks before Clark’s departure,a person familiar with the board told CNBC. Stephens did not respond to CNBC’s request for comment.
Petersen’s sole public political contribution in 2023 was to a Democratic political action committee associated with Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia. He doesn’t talk much about politics on social media or in interviews.
Clark has donated to candidates on both sides of the aisle. Upon his departure, The Wall Street Journal reported that he was considering running for governor of Texas, but two people familiar with his thinking say it’s not happening anytime soon.
Flexport told CNBC that an employee’s politics are not relevant in personnel decisions.
“Ryan Petersen does not care at all about anyone’s political or personal affiliations. That is their business,” the spokesperson said. “It is inappropriate for any employee to spend an excessive amount of time during work hours on activities unrelated to their role.”
A person familiar with the female executive said her noncorporateendeavorswere largely related to charitable organizations.
Clark has largely remained silent since he was forced to resign on Sept. 5, though in private he’s expressed frustration at how his former team was being treated by Flexport, according to people close to him. Many of his allies at Amazon who joined him at Flexport were summarily fired by Petersen shortly after his departure.
On Sept. 13, Flexport’s chief legal counsel, Chris Ferro, contacted Clark. Ferro told him that his resignation a week prior had not been accepted, according to a person familiar with the conversation.
Instead, Ferro told Clark that Flexport’s board met the day after Clark resigned and voted to fire him for cause, the person familiar said. Ferrosaid the board minutes didn’t yet reflect why Clark had been fired, the person said.
Ferro allegedlytold Clark that Flexport would be willing to give him a block of 2 million shares — worth millions of dollars — if he signed a separation agreement that included nondisclosure and nondisparagement clauses.
Clark declined, the person said. Shortly after Flexport reached out with the offer, Clark took the stage at the same supply chain conference in Phoenix that Petersen spoke at earlier in the day.
He didn’t hold back.
“The only thing I really regret from the past year was I sort of picked the wrong founder,” Clark said. “Basically, it was a place of extending my reputational halo to a group that, in my opinion, didn’t deserve it. Largely, because about half the team was let go last week on Friday, the most brutal nonseverance packages I’ve ever seen in my life. It was about as disrespectful a way as humanly possible.”
Amazon showdown
On top of the public relations fallout from the Clark saga and any legal wrangling that may follow, Flexport faces staffing turnover and a growing threat from Clark’s former employer.
Flexport recently ousted Wagers as CFO and lost its human resources chief. More layoffs are expected soon, sources said, after the company cut 20% of its staff in January.
On Sept. 12, almost a week after Clark was fired, Flexport executives convened in Seattle to launch an end-to-end supply chain service that would allow sellers to move their products from factories to customers’ doorsteps through integrations with major online marketplaces.
The project was spearheaded by Parisa Sadrzadeh, an executive vice president at Flexport who Clark had poached from Amazon’s logistics unit.
Earlier in the day, and just up the street from Flexport’s event, Amazon had unveiled a strikingly similar service in front of approximately 2,200 attendees at its annual Accelerate seller conference. Flexport had planned to have a booth onsite but was told it couldn’t be an exhibitor, which some staffers suspected was due to the competing supply chain products, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Flexport discussed securing exhibit space at Accelerate months earlier but didn’t meet all the requirements to participate, and its launch wasn’t mentioned in those conversations, Amazon said.
Flexport’s event was underwhelming. In a conference room, about 50 people looked on as Sadrzadeh debuted Flexport’s service and then introduced Petersen, who spoke for roughly 20 minutes, according to Burak Yolga, co-founder of a digital freight forwarding company who was in attendance.
“Flexport announced pretty much the same thing that Amazon announced,” Yolga said in an interview. He said he left after about a half-hour.
The company paid rapper Nelly $150,000 to perform at the event. But in the days leading up to the launch, Petersen opted to squash the performance because the optics were bad after his post about rescinding job offers, a person familiar with the matter said. Despite canceling the event, Flexport still paid the artist.
In this year’s flurry of massive artificial intelligence deals – for which a couple of billion dollars is pocket change – Nvidia ‘s announcement on Monday of a $2 billion investment to expand its long-time partnership with Synopsys might seem just incremental. Not so, asserted Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang, in an interview with Jim Cramer shortly after the news broke. Jensen said, “This is a huge deal.” Here’s why: Synopsys provides software and tools that allow companies like Nvidia to design, test, and verify semiconductors. Jensen said, “Nvidia was built on a foundation of design tools from Synopsys,” among others. This deal allows Synopsys, which earlier this year completed its purchase of engineering simulation software maker Ansys, to leverage Nvidia’s AI platform to deliver computer-modeled design and engineering solutions across many industries. Nvidia’s powerful chips, called graphics processing units (GPUs), are the gold standard in AI. With Monday’s deal , Nvidia will be positioned to bring GPU-powered accelerated computing to the world’s industrial sector, which represents an addressable market measured in the tens of trillions of dollars. What makes that possible is that the AI we are talking about here obeys the laws of physics, meaning that it can be relied upon to show how things will really run in the real world. Synopsys CEO Sassine Ghazi, standing alongside Jensen, said that what we’re talking about here, in a practical sense, is taking a workload that may have taken two to three weeks and compressing that to a matter of hours. Even with the work of Synopsys and other electronic design automation (EDA) providers, Jensen said Nvidia still spends “billions of dollars in prototyping” products in the physical world. “In the future, we’re going to prototype all of these products digitally so that we don’t waste any money when we build it physically,” he explained. “We could do basically the entire engineering work inside a computer in a digital twin before we have to build it at all. So, the type of products we can invent and the quality that we could do, and the speed that we could do it at is going to be extraordinary.” Jensen said that industrial companies that make things, be it Nvidia, or GM , or Boeing , spend hundreds of millions, even low billions of dollars on engineering software tools. He noted, however, that the money spent on prototyping can be 10 times to 20 times that figure. The ability to prototype digitally, therefore, represents a massive opportunity for industrial companies to reduce costs. Jensen told Jim, “This is really the culmination of everything I showed you when you visited Nvidia years ago. It’s taken this long for us to create the software stack necessary for Synopsys and the rest of the EDA [electronic design automation] industry, in order for them to accelerate the software that they’ve historically only run on CPUs [central processing units].” He added, “All of a sudden, the market opportunity increases by a factor of 10 to 100.” Jim Cramer, who started recommending Nvidia stock in 2009, first interviewed Jensen a year later. The “Mad Money” host even renamed his dog “Nvidia” in 2017 to demonstrate his belief in the company. While first bought in Jim’s Charitable Trust in August 2017 and exited in October 2018, Nvidia stock has been a constant since we re-initiated it in March 2019. More recently, Jim hosted Jensen at the Investing Club’s October Monthly Meeting, where the CEO got to meet many early Nvidia investors who made lots of money on the stock. The Trust is the portfolio the Club uses. In Monday’s interview, Jim also pressed Jensen on recent concerns about whether the launch of Gemini 3, powered by Google’s custom chips, would encroach on Nvidia’s GPU business. Google’s own semiconductors, called tensor processing units, were co-designed by Broadcom . Jensen, who complimented Google on their chips, said, “What Nvidia does is much more versatile,” dismissing the concerns and bringing the conversation back to the potential of the Synopsys investment. “You’re now seeing a real, tangible example of an opportunity that we could do with our platform that nobody else can.” AI goes far beyond the chatbots and consumer-facing solutions that have garnered most of our attention – and contributed to the pressure on shares of Nvidia since the Gemini 3 launch. Jensen said that Monday’s announcement is about revolutionizing the industrial software industry, where the stakes are much higher. On the consumer side, an answer to a query that is 90% correct, or recommends an item, movie, or new music with 90% accuracy, is a pretty good start – but on the industrial side, “that 10% you don’t get right, becomes mission critical,” the CEO added. That’s also why the pace of advancement has been so much faster in consumer AI. However, as exciting as the consumer-oriented developments have been, it’s the industrial side that likely proves to be the real opportunity. While capital expenditures by the biggest tech companies in the world to support consumer AI has, thus far, been the real driver of AI investment and infrastructure spending, the industry is now getting to the point where we should see spending ramp up elsewhere, be it from automakers like Ford and GM, or even ship builders in Korea. Not only does that speak to more spending in the years to come, but also a diversification of the spending base, which should materially help to de-risk the customer base for companies like Nvidia that have in recent years seen so much of their demand come from a select few customers. Ultimately, the move marks a significant milestone for Nvidia and the AI trade more broadly as it lays the groundwork for a material expansion in industrial AI. As we see it, the deal is a strong move for both companies. Synopsys gets to better serve its customers, while Nvidia expands its own ecosystem and helps to lay the groundwork for even more GPU-based accelerated computing infrastructure. On a conference call hosted by both companies to discuss the deal, Jensen said, “Of all the AI opportunities – industrial AI, physical AI – is the largest of all. And the reason for that is very clear. The world’s industries represent the vast majority of $100 trillion industry today. That industry, whether you’re designing cars or trains or planes or designing computers, all of that largely is based on general purpose computing. … But in order for us to go even further, in order for us to do even more, expanding the reach of design and engineering so that we could do almost everything in the world inside a digital environment, long before we create the physical manifestation, that journey, we’ve been preparing for several years now, and today our announcement really kicks it into turbocharge.” Jensen wrapped up by noting that Synopsys is the company that has allowed Nvidia to design its own chips, since its founding, and that the deal announced Monday is going to “enable everyone to design everything that’s physically manifested in the future.” (Jim Cramer’s Charitable Trust is long NVDA, AVGO, BA. See here for a full list of the stocks.) As a subscriber to the CNBC Investing Club with Jim Cramer, you will receive a trade alert before Jim makes a trade. 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After years of largely trading together, stocks related to artificial intelligence and the data center are starting to move in different directions, CNBC’s Jim Cramer said.
“The Google complex cohort roared while the OpenAI complex got hammered. Meanwhile, the hyperscalers with great balance sheets held up much better than the ones with strained balance sheets,” he said. “Just keep in mind that things change very fast in the AI space, so what was true last month might not necessarily stay true this month or next year.”
He pinpointed a difference in the performance of AI companies linked to OpenAI — like Nvidia, Oracle, Microsoft and AMD — and those affiliated with Alphabet — such as Broadcom and Celestica. He said latter cohort has seen a boost as some investors start to favor the newest iteration Gemini over ChatGPT. Wall Street Street at large is also growing concerned about OpenAI’s massive spending commitments, Cramer continued.
Hyperscalers with strong balance sheets are starting to pull ahead, he continued, noting that companies like Alphabet, Meta and Amazon have the capacity to keep spending big on AI. However, Cramer added, Oracle, CoreWeave and Nebius have more strained balance sheets.
But he warned that the AI space is volatile and said it’s possible another platform will surpass Gemini. Cramer also said he doesn’t want to “paint with too broad of a brush here.” For example, he noted that Nvidia got hit over worries about newfound competition and its ties to OpenAI. However, the AI giant also just reported a blowout quarter with strong guidance and demand for its products still exceeded supply, he continued.
The diversification of the AI trade is a good thing, Cramer suggested, saying it’s positive that investors are starting to think more critically about which of these companies “deserves to be winners.”
“In general, I think it’s actually pretty healthy. I’m never going to root against higher stock prices,” he said. “But there was always something unsettling about the entire AI cohort rallying in lockstep.”
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Apple’s AI chief is stepping down, the company announced Monday in the most visible shake up yet to the iPhone maker’s artificial intelligence group since launching its Apple Intelligence suite in 2024.
John Giannandrea, who held the position since joining the company in 2018, will be replaced by Amar Subramanya, an AI researcher who most recently worked for Microsoft and was previously part of Google’s DeepMind AI unit, according to his LinkedIn profile.
Giannandrea was a senior vice president and reported to Apple CEO Tim Cook. He will continue to serve as an advisor until retiring next spring, Apple said.
The change comes as experts this year have said Apple has fallen behind its tech peers in artificial intelligence, a tech field that has been reinvigorated since OpenAI launched ChatGPT in 2022.
Apple Intelligence, which was intended to put Apple alongside AI leaders like OpenAI and Google, has not been well-reviewed by users and critics. Earlier this year, one of its most critical aspects, a significantly improved Siri assistant, was delayed until 2026, signaling development challenges.
Subramanya will serve as Apple’s vice president of AI, and will report to software chief Craig Federighi, the company said.
In a statement, Cook said Federighi has already been playing a key role in Apple’s AI efforts.
“In addition to growing his leadership team and AI responsibilities with Amar’s joining, Craig has been instrumental in driving our AI efforts, including overseeing our work to bring a more personalized Siri to users next year,” Cook said in a statement.
Subramanya will lead teams working on Apple’s foundation models, research and AI safety. Other teams previously under Giannandrea will move under COO Sabih Khan and services chief Eddy Cue, Apple said.
Although Apple shares are up 16% in 2025, they have lagged many other big tech companies as investors say the iPhone maker has fallen behind its peers that are investing billions into AI data centers, chips and frontier models.
Apple said in August that it was “significantly increasing” the amount it spends on AI, and Cook has said it’s a “profound” technology. Apple has struck a deal with leader OpenAI to integrate ChatGPT into some of its products, like Siri.
But Apple is playing a different game than companies like Microsoft, Google, and Meta. It’s spending much less on infrastructure for the technology. Apple also prefers its AI to run on its devices, instead of communicating back to more powerful computers in the cloud.
Apple this year also saw Jony Ive, its legendary hardware designer who helped late co-founder Steve Jobs invent the iPhone, sell his startup io for $6.4 billion to OpenAI, with the intention of helping the AI lab release its own hardware.
Analysts say that Apple has built a loyalty moat among its customers since the iPhone launched in 2007, but AI-driven hardware is on its way, with Ive and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman last month saying that they’ve already completed their first prototypes and could reveal them in two years or less.