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Elon Musk tried to explain his strange ask for more control over Tesla, which seemingly came with a threat to divert AI products from the automaker to his new startup, during his earnings conference call.

It doesn’t look like Tesla shareholders are buying it as the stock crashed by as much as 10% this morning.

Last week, we reported on Musk bizarrely asking for a 25% voting control over Tesla because of his fear that some entity could take over the company to control its AI projects.

He warned that without this level of control, he would “prefer to build products outside of Tesla”. Musk owns an AI startup called xAI, which has made some Tesla shareholders uncomfortable since the CEO also describes Tesla as an “AI/robotics company.

By saying that, Musk is basically confirming that he has a conflict of interest between Tesla and xAI. You could even make the argument that he is breaking his fiduciary duty to Tesla investors.

Shareholders asked Tesla if they should be worried about Musk’s comments. Over 4,000 Tesla retail investors voted for the question to come up during Tesla’s earnings call yesterday.

Musk tried to explain his position:

Let me explain why. What my concern is here, which is that, you know, I see a path to creating an artificial intelligence and robotics juggernaut of truly immense capability and power. And my concern would be I don’t want to control it, but if I have so little influence over the company at that stage that I could sort of be voted out by some sort of random shareholder advisory firm.

The CEO added:

You know, we’ve had a lot of challenges with Institutional Shareholder Services, ISS. I call them ISIS and Glass Lewis, you know, which there’s a lot of activists that basically infiltrate those organizations and have, you know, strange ideas about what should be done. So, you know. I want to have enough to be influential – like, if we could do a dual class stock, that would be ideal. I’m not looking for additional economics; I just want to be an effective steward of very powerful technology. And the reason I just sort of roughly picked approximately 25% was that -that’s not so much that I can control the company even if I go bonkers. And if I’m, like, mad, they can throw me out, but it’s enough that I have a strong influence. That’s what I’m aiming for – a strong influence but not control. There’s some way to achieve that, that would be great.

For Musk to get 25% voting control, he would need to receive a stock package worth about $60 billion. He says that he doesn’t want more money, just voting control, but dual-class voting shares are not really possible to structure post-IPO.

More shares would appear to be the only way for Musk to get more control over Tesla after he sold billions worth to acquire Twitter.

Tesla’s stock crashed as much as 10% this morning following Tesla’s earnings.

Electrek’s Take

Let me start by stating the obvious: no one currently has more control over Tesla than Elon Musk. He is the CEO and largest shareholder.

Secondly, he will gain even more control as he exercises more shares from his previous compensation plan.

ISS companies have tried some shareholder activism at Tesla, but they have been extremely unsuccessful for the most part. It’s ridiculous to compare their intentions to a terrorist organization, but even if you forget about their intentions, there are serious doubts about their effectiveness in affecting Tesla in any serious way in the first place.

They are certainly not a reason to give 25% control over Tesla to Musk. Even if it was, it doesn’t really answer the bigger problem: the conflict of interest Musk has between Tesla and xAI, which I think was more what the shareholders were asking about.

Musk didn’t even address that at all in his comments.

The most ridiculous thing about this whole situation and how Tesla is reacting to it, or more accurately not reacting to it, is that it shows how much control Musk currently has over Tesla.

If Tesla wasn’t under his control all the way up to the board, the Tesla board would have already, at the very least, commented on the situation. They haven’t. The CEO is publicly saying that he would prefer building products outside of the company without a 25% voting control and crickets from the board. It’s wild. Only at Tesla.

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Podcast: Trump moves to kill $7,500 tax credit, deep Tesla discounts, Cadillac Vistiq, and more

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In the Electrek Podcast, we discuss the most popular news in the world of sustainable transport and energy. In this week’s episode, we discuss Trump moving to kill the $7,500 tax credit, deep Tesla and Ford discounts, the new Cadillac Vistiq, and more.

Today’s episode is sponsored by LiTime, a prominent brand with 15 years of experience in renewable energy storage, specifically focusing on renewable LiFePO4 Lithium batteries. Now through December 15, LiTime is offering up to 60% off its products during its Black Friday Sale.
Learn more here.

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This 3GW Gobi Desert solar farm can power 2 million households

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China just connected its largest single-capacity solar farm built on a former coal mining area, which is in the Gobi Desert, to the grid.

The Mengxi Blue Ocean Photovoltaic Power Station, located in Otog Front Banner, Ordos, Inner Mongolia, came online on November 5. With a massive installed capacity of 3 gigawatts (GW) and over 5.9 million solar panels, the plant will generate around 5.7 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity annually – enough to power 2 million households.

This huge project will save about 1.71 million tons of standard coal each year and cut carbon dioxide emissions by roughly 4.7 million tons, which is equivalent to planting 62,700 hectares (around 155,000 acres) of trees.

Built on coal mining subsidence land, Mengxi Blue Ocean is part of China’s national West-East Electricity Transfer Project, which brings investment and development to western China west while supplying the growing need for electricity in the eastern provinces.

The solar farm includes the country’s first large-scale outdoor solar testing base in the Gobi Desert climate, demonstrating the potential for large solar installations in challenging environments.

The power station makes use of new rare earth alloy grounding materials, cutting costs by 40%. It also replaces traditional concrete foundations with steel to minimize impact on the local grassland ecosystem.

Chuang Xihong, deputy director of the Engineering Construction Department of Guodian Power Group, CHN Energy’s parent company, explained that Mengxi Blue Ocean is an agrivoltaic project as well [via PV Tech]:

Fine forage and sand-fixing plants are planted under the PV modules, providing grazing for Australian White Sheep and chickens. A composite ecological development model will be established where PV power generation and breeding will go hand in hand.

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Save exclusive $1,568 on EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra, Velotric Black Friday e-bike additions, Anker SOLIX + Heybike flash sales, more

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Save exclusive ,568 on EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra, Velotric Black Friday e-bike additions, Anker SOLIX + Heybike flash sales, more

It should be no surprise that we’re closing out the week with another great lineup of Black Friday Green Deals. Leading the official sales is the exclusive discount our readers are getting on the EcoFlow DELTA Pro Ultra Home-Backup Station at a new $4,230 low. Coming up right behind it we have Velotric’s early Black Friday changeup that is adding two more e-bikes to the savings event while also offering an “add three, get 30% off” promotion for accessories – all starting at $1,099. We’ve also got two weekend flash sales, the first being several Anker SOLIX solar generator and home-backup bundles at new low prices and starting from $1,399. The other is a second chance at Heybike’s Ranger S Folding e-bike for $999, as well as some price reductions. Plus, all the other hangover Green Deals are in the links at the bottom of the page, like yesterday’s long-awaited Rad Power Black Friday sale that has increased savings up to $700 on new and old e-bikes alike, and more.

Head below for other New Green Deals we’ve found today and, of course, Electrek’s best EV buying and leasing deals. Also, check out the new Electrek Tesla Shop for the best deals on Tesla accessories.

Save a 9to5Toys-exclusive $1,568 on EcoFlow’s DELTA Pro Ultra whole-home backup station at new $4,230 low

Wellbots is giving 9to5Toys readers an exclusive chance at savings on EcoFlow’s DELTA Pro Ultra Whole-Home Backup Station for $4,230.59 shipped, after using the promo code 9TO5DPU9 at checkout for an additional 9% off. Normally priced at $5,799 here, with a higher $6,098 MSRP direct from EcoFlow, this unit has never seen discounts this large, with the brand’s current Black Friday sale offering what we considered the best price of the year at $4,649, until today. Taking advantage of this exclusive offer gives you a total of $1,568 off its going rate at Wellbots ($1,867 under its original MSRP) and lands it at the best price we have tracked to date.

EcoFlow’s DELTA Pro Ultra is the hands-down best option from the brand for backup power of your entire home, providing a starting 6.1kWh LiFePO4 battery capacity and 7,200W power output that can be invested in and further expanded up to a massive 90kWh capacity and 21.6kW output. For context, the station alone can keep your essentials running for two days on one full battery and up to 15 days with its fully expanded capabilities – and that’s not even factoring in any solar panel setup you have for it that recharges and replenishes its battery. Aside from just supporting you through blackouts with the auto-switchover, it will analyze your regular power usage to offset peak rates while utilizing solar charging to help lower your energy costs (requires Smart Home Panel 2, sold separately).

There are multiple ways to recharge the Ecoflow DELTA Pro Ultra’s battery outside the expandable 5.6kW to 16.8kW solar input, with a wall outlet able to recharge the battery in just two hours, with other options including EV piles and generators too. As an example, in terms of its solar charging capabilities, if you were to invest in a fully stocked and expanded system (three Ultra Pro stations + expansion batteries), a single hour of solar charging would give you the power needed to run your home for the entire day. It can handle severe temperatures of -4 degrees to 113 degrees and even comes with an IP54 dust-proof and splash-proof rating.

Velotric Go 1 Utility e-bike

Velotric adds two e-bikes to early Black Friday + 30% discounts on three accessories – deals start from $1,099

Velotric is switching its early Black Friday sale into its second gear through November 28, including two more e-bikes to the sales lineup and offering an “add three save 30%” promo on accessories. Aside from those we already saw at the start of the month, the brand includes the Go 1 Utility e-bike for $1,299 shipped and the Packer 1 Cargo e-bike for $1,599 shipped. Normally these models go for $1,699 and $2,199, respectively, we’ve seen most sales drop costs down to $1,399 and $1,699 for most of 2024, though there was one August flash sale that lowered the prices by $50 more and we have also seen the Go 1 Utility e-bike as low as $1,099 in past years back in the pre-tariff marketplace. Still, you’re looking at some of the lowest prices tracked, giving you some solid affordability on reliable e-mobility solutions.

Velotric’s Go 1 Utility e-bike cruises into view at a 20 MPH top speed that you can unlock up to 25 MPH, with the 500W hub motor peaking at 900W and powered by the removable 692Wh battery, which also provides a solid 55 miles of travel on one full charge. There are five pedal assistance models here, and a bunch of great features for the price – especially the inclusion of Apple Find My alongside the usual smartphone app integration. You’ll also enjoy stocked puncture-resistant tires, a removable thumb throttle, a 7-speed Shimano derailleur, an integrated LED headlight, a rear rack that has an integrated taillight with brake lighting, and a 3.5-inch LCD display with a USB port.

With the Packer 1 Cargo e-bike, you’ll be able to haul up to 176 pounds of packages, passengers, both, and more at top speeds of 20 MPH (which also unlocks to 25 MPH) for up to 52 pedal-assisted miles thanks to the pairing of its 750W rear-geared hub motor (peaks at 1,200W) and the removable 692Wh battery. Using just the throttle for pure electric action can surprisingly net you up to 45 miles of travel. Among its features you’ll find Apple Find My and smartphone app integrations, 4-piston hydraulic disc brakes, a hydraulic suspension fork, an 8-speed Shimano derailleur, fenders over its 26-inch front/20-inch rear tires, an LED headlight, a taillight with braking functionality, and an LED display.

Updated early Black Friday e-bike discounts:

Anker SOLIX weekend sale

Anker SOLIX flash sale takes $3,028 off F3800 station with expansion battery and 400W panel at new $4,369 low

Anker SOLIX has launched its second weekend flash sale through November 17 that is offering some new and continued savings on a selection of solar generator and home backup bundles, as well as some new additional savings promotions. The spotlight this time around is on the F3800 Portable Power Station that comes with a BP3800 expansion battery and 400W solar panel for $4,369.05 shipped, after using the promo code ANKER4K5OFF for an additional 5% discount. This bundle would normally cost you $7,397, and we’ve only seen this bundle get discounts a few times throughout 2024, with the biggest of them taking the price down to $4,899. During the next 72 hours, you’ll be able to save $3,028 here and scoring this solar generator package at the all-time lowest price we have tracked.

Before we go over what you can expect from this package, Anker SOLIX has provided additional savings on orders that reach certain thresholds through December 8 on top of the free gear offers that have been live since the sale’s start. As a recap, you’ll be getting a free 200W solar panel when you spend over $3,000, a free EverFrost Portable Cooler 40 when spending over $4,000, and a free 400W solar panel on orders over $5,000. On top of these offers, be sure to take note of the following bonus savings options:

  • Save an additional 3% off your order over $3,000 with the code ANKER3K3OFF
  • Save an additional 5% off on orders over $4,000 with the code ANKER4K5OFF
  • Save an additional 7% on orders over $5,000 using the code ANKER5K7OFF

Just be sure to enter these codes at checkout. The listed prices below have not had these additional savings factored in.

The SOLIX F3800 is a versatile backup power option that starts with a 3,840Wh LiFePO4 capacity (doubled to 7,680Wh with the expansion battery) that you can further expand up to 26.9kWh with five more BP3800 expansion batteries. Through its 15 ouput ports it can deliver up to 6,000W of power and even has connections for your RV, electric car, and your home’s circuit breaker (though it requires the Home Backup kit for sectional power or the Home Power Panel for your entire home + integration with with your solar roof panels for greater recharging capabilities).

There are a few different ways to recharge the F3800’s battery, but the two main ways will give you a full battery in only 2.7 hours through a standard outlet, or up to 2 hours when utilizing its maximum 2,400W solar input. Everything is housed within a rollable design, with an LCD display to monitor real-time levels as well as adjust settings – or you can do all this on your phone via the companion app.

Anker SOLIX early Black Friday weekend flash sale offers:

You can check out the full lineup of Black Friday offers by following the link here – and be sure to use those promo codes above for the best savings!

heybike ranger S weekend sale

Heybike offers second chance to get Ranger S Folding e-bike at $999 low in latest early Black Friday flash sale

Heybike is giving folks another Black Friday flash sale and a second chance at the best price we’ve seen on its Ranger S Folding e-bike at $999 shipped through the weekend, while also lowering the price on the Brawn Off-Road e-bike by another $100. The Ranger S model usually goes for $1,499 at full price, with most discounts only taking costs down to $1,199 at best before these Black Friday weekend flash sales. You’re looking at a second chance to score $500 off its going rate at the all-time lowest price we have seen for it – and it also comes with the Black Friday gift pack too. You can learn more about this e-bike’s standard model in our review, with both variations being discussed below, as well.

Heybike’s Ranger S e-bike offers some solid performance specs and features at an affordable low price. Starting off, you have a choice here between a 750W (peaks at 1,400W) or a 1,000W (peaking at 1,800W) rear hub motor, depending on just how much power you require for speed, overcoming terrain, and the like. Keep in mind that the 1,000W model does charge a higher $1,399 price (down from $1,699). Both options come powered by a 692Wh battery, with five pedal assistance levels to utilize – supported by a cadence sensor for the 750W model and a superior torque sensor for the 1,000W model. You’ll enjoy 55 miles of travel and Class 3 top speeds of 28 MPH from the 750W motor while the 1,000W motor bumps that maximum to 32 MPH.

Aside from that, there’s a whole bunch of tried and true features you would typically expect from a folding fat-tire e-bike, like the 20-inch by 4-inch fat tires with fenders over each, the step-through frame that also folds, obviously, as well as an LED Headlight, an integrated rear cargo rack with an LED taillight that provides brake lighting, a hydraulic front suspension fork, hydraulic disc brakes, a kickstand, and a smart LCD display. Its charger has also been bumped up to a 4A model, which is around twice as strong as the average e-bike charger, so you can expect a full charge in about 4 hours.

Other Heybike discounts:

  • Mars 2.0 Folding Fat-Tire e-bike: $999 (Reg. $1,499)
    • 28 MPH for up to 45 miles
    • 1,000W motor (32 MPH speed) costs $100 more
    • comes with free front basket and large basket + gift pack
  • Cityrun Urban Commuter e-bike: $999 (Reg. $1,599)
    • 21 MPH for up to 55 miles
    • comes with free large basket + gift pack
  • Hauler Cargo e-bike (new model): $1,399 (Reg. $1,899)
    • 28 MPH for either 55
    • Dual-battery (85-mile range) costs $300 more
    • comes with free large rear basket + gift pack
  • Brawn Off-Road e-bike: $1,399 (Reg. $1,799)
    • 28 MPH for 65 miles
    • comes with free large basket + gift pack
  • Horizon Full-Suspension e-bike: $1,499 (Reg. $1,999)
    • 28 MPH for 55 miles
    • comes with free front basket and large basket + gift pack
  • Tyson Uni-Body e-bike: $1,499 (Reg. $1,699)
    • 28 MPH for 55 miles
    • comes with free large basket + gift pack
  • Hero Carbon-Fiber All-Terrain e-bike (new model): $2,499 (Reg. $2,599)
    • 35 MPH for 60 miles
    • comes with free large basket + gift pack

Best Black Friday e-bike deals!

Best new Green Deals landing this week

The savings this week are also continuing to a collection of other markdowns. To the same tune as the offers above, these all help you take a more energy-conscious approach to your routine. Winter means you can lock in even better off-season price cuts on electric tools for the lawn while saving on EVs and tons of other gear.

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