A lawyer for the Post Office at the height of the Horizon IT scandal has told the public inquiry he feels “no pride” to be employed by the company.
Rodric Williams, a civil law specialist who joined the organisation in 2012, told the hearing he was “truly sorry” for being associated with the “greatest miscarriage of justice we’ve seen”.
A first day of evidence for the New Zealand national, now among three legal leads at the Post Office, saw Mr Williams admit a “bunker mentality” among staff in relation to the media’s coverage of the faulty Horizon IT system.
In his second day, Mr Williams was pressed on what he knew about the Post Office’s ex-head of security John Scott allegedly shredding minutes from a meeting concerning Horizon bugs.
The inquiry heard the Post Office feared sub-postmasters who had been convicted of offences jumping on a “bandwagon” and challenging their convictions if damaging documents surfaced as part of the mediation process.
The word came as part of a 2013 meeting between the Post Office’s in-house and external lawyers, which read: “It was widely agreed that there was likely to be a ‘bandwagon’ approach in relation to defendants challenging their previous convictions.”
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Mr Williams was also accused of knowing “perfectly well” that the Post Office had “relied on a liar and a perjurer to convict innocent people” following expert evidence provided by leading Horizon engineer Gareth Jenkins in the trial of sub-postmistress Seema Misra.
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She was suspended from her branch in 2008 and handed a 15-month prison sentence, while eight weeks pregnant, in November 2010 after being accused of stealing £74,000.
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The inquiry heard how the Post Office received advice from external barrister Simon Clarke in 2013 suggesting an expert witness, Mr Jenkins, and the Post Office had “breached their duties” to the court, and subsequent advice suggested meeting minutes talking about Horizon bugs had been shredded.
Questioned on his views on the wrongful conviction of Mrs Misra, Mr Williams told the inquiry: “I take no pride, comfort or confidence in having worked for an employer that has engaged in conducting the greatest miscarriage of justice that we’ve seen, or however it has been described.
“I don’t know where to go with this – it’s awful that people with convictions had them, and had them for the length of time that they did.
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“And for my part in that, I’m truly sorry that I’ve been associated with this. I’m truly sorry for that.”
Chairman Sir Wyn Williams interjected: “I think the point, Mr Williams, is at a moment in time, namely 2014, when on any sensible reading of Mr Clarke’s advice from July 2013, there was a problem about Mr Jenkins’s evidence, the Post Office and you personally appeared to still be asserting to the world that the conviction was safe, amongst other things, because expert evidence had been called and the jury, by inference, must have accepted it.
“Those two things don’t sit very easily together, do they?”
Image: Rodric Williams also gave evidence on Thursday. Pic: POHI
Mr Williams replied: “No, they don’t, sir. No, they don’t.”
Addressing the destruction of meeting minutes in advice given to the organisation, Mr Clarke had written: “An instruction was then given that those emails and minutes should be, and have been, destroyed: the word ‘shredded’ was conveyed to me.”
Counsel to the inquiry Jason Beer KC asked: “Presumably you were quite shocked to read it?”
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The Post Office lawyer replied: “Yes.”
Mr Beer later asked: “What steps did you take to ensure that it was investigated in any way whatsoever?”
After the witness said he did not recall, the counsel to the inquiry continued: “Is the answer none?”
Mr Williams replied: “I can’t remember what happened at that time 11 years ago – so what I felt needed to be done or should be done I can’t recall now.”
Following an interjection by chairman Sir Wyn Williams urging him to answer the question, Mr Beer continued: “Should the serious or very serious matters raised in Mr Clarke’s advice have been investigated by the Post Office?”
The witness said: “Yes.”
Asked if consideration was given to reporting the matter to the police, Mr Williams said: “I don’t believe so, no.”
Mr Beer continued: “Would you have been concerned if you found out that it was said to be the head of security that had given an instruction to shred documents?”
Retail sales rose a surprising amount in July, as good weather and the Women’s Euros led people to part with their cash, official figures show.
The amount of spending rose 0.6% in July, according to figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), far above the 0.2% rise anticipated by economists polled by Reuters.
In particular, clothing and footwear stores, as well as online shopping, experienced strong growth.
When looked at on a three-month basis, the numbers are weaker, with a 0.6% fall in sales up to July due in part to downward revisions in June.
Spending has declined since March, when supermarkets, sports shops, and household goods saw strong sales at the beginning of the year as warm and sunny weather pushed summer purchases earlier. Though compared to a year ago, sales are up 1.1%.
Image: Fans gather during a Homecoming Victory Parade in London after England’s win in the final of the Women’s Euros. Pic: PA
Retail sales figures are significant as they measure household consumption, the largest expenditure in the UK economy.
Growing retail sales can mean economic growth, which the government has repeatedly said is its top priority.
A problem with the figures
These figures were originally due to be published in August but were delayed by two weeks so the ONS could carry out “quality assurance” checks.
Following the checks, the statistics body found a “problem”, which meant it had to correct seasonally adjusted figures.
It hasn’t been the only question mark over the reliability of ONS figures.
In March, UK trade figures were delayed due to errors from 2023, and the office continues to advise caution in interpreting changes in the monthly unemployment rate due to concerns over data reliability.
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As a result of the latest error, previously monthly figures overstated the monthly volatility in the first five months of 2025, the ONS’s director general of economic statistics, James Benford, said.
Mr Benford apologised for the release delay and for the errors.
What could it mean?
It could mean retrospective changes to the UK economic growth rate, according to Rob Wood, the chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics.
A greater proportion of electric cars were sold last month than at any point this year, industry data shows.
More than a quarter (26.5%) of cars sold in August were electric vehicles (EVs), according to figures from motor lobby group the Society for Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT).
It’s the largest amount of sales since December 2024 and comes as the government introduced financial incentives to help drivers make the move to zero tailpipe emission cars.
The full suite of grants were not available during the month, however, with a further 35 models eligible for £1,500 off early in September.
Throughout August more models became eligible for price reductions, meaning more consumers could be tempted to purchase an EV in September.
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The increased percentage of EV sales came despite an overall 2% drop in buying, compared to a year earlier, in what is typically the quietest month for car purchases.
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What are the rules?
The numbers suggest the car industry could be on course to meet the government’s zero-emission vehicle (ZEV) mandate, the thinktank Energy & Climate Intelligence Unit (ECIU) has said.
It stipulates that new petrol and diesel cars may not be sold from 2030.
Amid pressure from industry, the government altered the mandate in April to allow for hybrid vehicles, which are powered by both fuel and a battery, to be sold until 2035.
Sales of new petrol and diesel vans are also permitted until 2035.
Until then, 28% of cars sold must be electric this year, with the share rising to 33% in 2026, 38% in 2027 and 66% in 2029, the final year before the new combustion engine ban.
Manufacturers face fines for not meeting the targets.
Last year, the objective of making 22% of all car sales purely EVs was surpassed, with EVs comprising 24.3% of the total sold in 2024.
Why?
The increased portion of EV sales can be attributed to increased model choice and discounting, on top of the government reductions, the SMMT said.
Savings from running an electric car are also enticing motorists, the ECIU said. “Demand for used EVs is already surging because they can offer £1,600 a year in savings in owning and running costs.”
“This matters for regular families as the pipeline of second-hand EVs is dependent on new car sales, which hit the used market after around three to four years.
Businesses have cut jobs at the fastest pace in almost four years, according to a closely-watched Bank of England survey which also paints a worrying picture for employment and wage growth ahead.
Its Decision Maker Panel (DMP) data, taken from chief financial officers across 2,000 companies, showed employment levels over the three months to August were 0.5% lower than in the same period a year earlier.
It amounted to the worst decline since autumn 2021 as firms grappled with the implementation of budget measures in the spring that raised their national insurance contributions and minimum wage levels, along with business rates for many.
The start of April also witnessed the escalation in Donald Trump’s global trade war which further damaged sentiment, especially among exporters to the United States.
The survey showed no improvement in hiring intentions in the tough economy, with companies expecting to reduce employment levels by 0.5% over the coming year.
That was the weakest outlook projection since October 2020.
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At the same time, the panel also showed that participants planned to raise their own prices by 3.8% over the next 12 months. That is in line with the current rate of inflation.
The news on wages was no better as the central forecast was for an average rise of 3.6% – down from the 4.6% seen over the past 12 months.
If borne out, it would mean private sector wages rising below the rate of inflation – erasing household and business spending power.
The Bank of England has been relying on data such as the DMP amid a lack of confidence in official employment figures produced by the Office for National Statistics due to low response rates.
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Bank governor Andrew Bailey told a committee of MPs on Wednesday that he was now less sure over the pace of interest rate cuts ahead owing to stubborn inflation in the economy.
The consumer prices index measure is expected to peak at 4% next month – double the Bank’s target rate – from the current level.
Higher interest rates only add to company costs and make them less likely to borrow for investment purposes.
At the same time, employers are fearful that the coming budget, set for late November, may contain no relief.
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Sky News revealed on Thursday how the head of the banking sector’s main lobby group had written to the chancellor to warn that any additional levy on bank profits, as suggested by a think-tank last week, would only damage her search for growth.
Rachel Reeves is believed to be facing a black hole in the public finances amounting to £20bn-£40bn.
Tax rises are believed to be inevitable, given her commitment to fiscal rules concerning borrowing by the end of the parliament.
Heightened costs associated with servicing such debts following recent bond sell-offs across Western economies have made more borrowing even less palatable.
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Ms Reeves is expected to raise some form of wealth tax, while other speculation has included a shake-up of council tax.
She has consistently committed not to target working people but the Bank of England data, and official ONS figures, would suggest that businesses have responded to 2024 budget measures by cutting jobs since April, with hospitality and retail among the worst hit.
Commenting on the data, Rob Wood, chief UK economist at Pantheon Macroeconomics, said: “The DMP survey shows stubborn wage and price pressures despite falling employment, continuing to suggest that structural economic changes and supply weakness are keeping inflation high.
“The MPC [monetary policy committee of the Bank of England] will have to be cautious, so we remain comfortable assuming no more rate cuts this year.”
“That said, the increasing signs of labour market weakness suggest dovish risks,” he concluded.