Public debt limiting next government’s ability to invest says Lloyds Banking Group’s Charlie Nunn

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June 27, 2024

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The chief executive of Lloyds Banking Group – the UK’s biggest lender – has warned whoever wins the general election that they will not be able to fuel growth by increasing government borrowing.

Charlie Nunn said the UK’s national debt had been forced higher in the last decade and a half due to “massive shocks” such as the global financial crisis, the pandemic, the war in Ukraine and also by some issues specific to the UK economy.

Limits on investment

And, speaking exclusively to Sky News, he said this would limit the next government’s ability to invest.

He said: “We have increased the government debt ratio for the UK. And…we should just accept the government can’t pay its way out of this next stage.

“The US in the last few years has gone up to a… 7.5% government [deficit] to GDP ratio. The US can do that because it’s growing at above 3%, but also it’s [the US dollar] the world’s reserve currency.

“We don’t have those options in the UK – but what we do need is a really clear plan and set of priorities for the UK. And then…we need to find the right way of getting the very material amount of private money, international and domestic, that is excited about investing in the UK to invest alongside government.

The biggest challenge

“I think we can create that positive momentum for investment in jobs and business growth. And then that will feed through into the economy. That has to be the unlock from these three or four very systemic shocks that the UK economy has experienced in the last 16 years.”

Mr Nunn, who has served on both Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s business council and the British Infrastructure Council launched by the shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves, said this would be the biggest challenge for the next administration.

He added: “When you look at the next few years for the next government, the real issue is how are we going to get investment into the economy – and that investment isn’t going to come from the government. It’s going to have to be crowding in international foreign direct investment, leveraging the banking system to really support customers, investing in their businesses and creating jobs and employment in growth and then supporting other financial institutions and pools of capital like pension funds for that investment.

“So the real focus has to be how do we get some growth going and how do we bring in private money alongside the government to make that difference? And that’s what will give the best outcome for the country, but also the government’s own finances.”

‘Very high’ business sentiment

Mr Nunn, who said business sentiment was “actually very high” at present, said a clear government plan and set of priorities could unlock three things.

He went on: “The first is we need to get more private, both domestically and international investment into the UK to support growth, and that needs to come with some supply-side reforms.

The second is housing. Housing really is an important topic for the UK, from social housing all the way through affordable housing and in the broader housing market. We think you need a 10-year plan to unlock the housing investment that would be needed to really make a difference.

“And then the third thing that we think that could make a difference is focusing on long-term savings and investments, both building financial resilience for businesses and consumers in the UK, but also then how we use those savings, those savings pots, to invest back in the UK economy.

“We think there’s opportunity to do more.”

Investors looking for ‘stability and a plan’

Lloyds is the owner of Halifax, the UK’s biggest mortgage lender, as well as being the UK’s biggest current account provider and one of its biggest players in business banking and credit cards and owner of the life and pensions giant Scottish Widows.

Mr Nunn said that, as chief executive, he met many businesses and was clear what they wanted from the next government.

He went on: “I spend a lot of time with entrepreneurs across the UK, but also big international finance houses, whether they’re pension funds or institutions looking to invest in the UK. The first thing that’s consistent across them is they’re looking for stability and a plan.

“And I think that’s the first thing for a new government, which is to provide that stability and to provide thinking, in some of these areas around infrastructure and housing, which is 10 years thinking not shorter-term thinking. So that’s the first thing they’re looking for.

“The second big theme, which is really consistent, is there are some supply-side issues… which are getting in the way of businesses getting a return on their investments. And obviously, there’s been good discussion around planning around connectivity to the [electricity] grid, around skills. Those are the three topics that businesses always identify.

‘Two to four times longer to get a return on UK investment’

“And what does it mean for investors, whether it’s a business or international investor? Typically, they’ll tell you it takes two to four times longer to get a return on your investment in the UK than it does in other countries of the world. And that’s really where we need to focus.”

Interest rates

Mr Nunn, who in August will mark his third anniversary as chief executive of the black horse bank, said the interest rate cuts from the Bank of England expected later this year would be “beneficial” – but warned homeowners not to expect a return to the ultra-low interest rates seen for most of the last 16 years.

He added: “Of course, the short-term impact of interest rates is going to impact, first of all, the government on the cost of government debt. That will be important. And secondly, it’ll make the cost of borrowing for businesses short term more attractive…that’ll be important.

“In terms of the impact on the broader consumer in the UK, it’ll take longer to feed through. Around mortgages specifically, we’ve just come off a decade where mortgages have been in the 1.5-2.5% range.

“The expectations the market have is that interest rates probably won’t get below 3.5%. And that means mortgages, or the new normal for mortgages, will be in that 3.5-4.5% range, not 1.5-2.5%.

“So there is going to be a higher cost of borrowing in the economy, probably based on what we can see happening at the moment.

“But a reduction in rates will be good for the government’s own capacity to invest and will support the economy and it should be good for business.”

Bank of England proposals

Mr Nunn also questioned proposals for the Bank of England to pay no interest to banks on the reserves they have deposited at the Bank of England – a measure that Reform UK has claimed could raise £40bn that could be used to cut taxes.

The Lloyds chief executive said: “Obviously that will be a political decision and not one that we’ll get directly involved with. The statement from the governor of the Bank of England was an important one in this context…he wouldn’t support it because it would start to undermine monetary policy and specifically how…interest rates feed through into the economy, through the commercial banks, through organisations like Lloyds Banking Group.

“I think that’s a really important consideration. In terms of the quantum of impact, there are various estimates out there, but I think the quantum of impact that’s been talked about is significantly more than I think would be realistic. And so it will be a political choice.

But you really need to look at the integrity of what the Bank of England does and whether or not monetary policy works effectively in the economy.”

Growth through financial regulation

Mr Nunn also said there was an opportunity for a new government to boost the economy through financial regulation, building on the new objectives recently set for financial regulators by the current government, which obliged the Financial Conduct Authority and the Prudential Regulation Authority to enable competitiveness and growth both for the banking sector and the UK economy as a whole.

Stressing he was not calling for a return to the looser regulation seen prior to the financial crisis, he added: “There are choices about how do we help customers take the right level of risk…how do businesses and entrepreneurs take the right level of risk and what can financial services do safely to support that?

“When I look at what the UK is doing relative to other countries, we haven’t had that as a really clear objective and I think there’s more we can do that can untap opportunities for businesses, for families in the UK, over the coming years.”

He said the US and Canada could be a good template for the UK in that respect.

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Ryanair raises fares after profits hit by lower ticket prices

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May 19, 2025

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Ryanair raises fares after profits hit by lower ticket prices

Europe’s largest airline has seen annual earnings drop by 16% after cutting air fares – but revealed a price hike as it seeks to return to growth.

Ryanair reported profits after tax fell to €1.61bn (£1.35bn) for the year to 31 March, down from €1.92bn (£1.61bn) in 2024, still the second highest on record.

On average, plane tickets were 7% cheaper during this period than the 12 months before, it said.

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There had been a 21% rise in fares in the year up to March 2024, which bosses had signalled was due to end.

Higher-for-longer interest rates and inflation in the first half of the year meant ticket prices had to come down, the budget carrier said.

But fares are already back on the rise, Ryanair’s chief executive Michael O’Leary said.

The airline “cautiously” expects to recover “most, but not all” of the fare decline, which he said will boost profits.

Demand for summer flights is “strong”, Mr O’Leary said, with peak fares “modestly” ahead of last year.

In recent months, that rebound has already been under way. Fares since April are on track to be “a mid-high teen per cent ahead” by the end of next month, compared with the same period last year.

That trend is expected to continue to July, August and September, Mr O’Leary said.

“While we cautiously expect to recover most, but not all of last year’s 7% fare decline, which should lead to reasonable net profit growth in 2025-26, it is far too early to provide any meaningful guidance,” he said.

“The final 2025-26 outcome remains heavily exposed to adverse external developments, including the risk of tariff wars, macro-economic shocks, conflict escalation in Ukraine and the Middle East and European air traffic control mismanagement/short staffing.”

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Passenger numbers grew to a record 200 million on the back of cheaper fares, hitting a target that had been reduced due to delays in delivering new Boeing planes.

The US manufacturer has struggled with increased regulatory oversight after a door panel blew off an Alaska Airlines plane mid-flight in January last year. Strike action by staff had added to the delays.

The forecast for passenger numbers has been reduced again. Ryanair now aims to transport 206 million passengers in this financial year.

It hopes to reach 300 million passengers by 2034 and on Monday said it still expects to receive 300 new Boeing planes by 2033.

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UK and EU agree ‘Brexit reset’ trade deal

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May 19, 2025

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UK and EU agree 'Brexit reset' trade deal

The UK and the EU have agreed a new post-Brexit “reset” trade deal after months of negotiations.

A UK government source said: “All in all, a good deal for all.”

The talks were the first since Boris Johnson agreed the initial Brexit deal in January 2020, when the UK left the EU.

Politics latest: Details of UK-EU deal emerge

Talks went “down to the wire”, with a breakthrough at about 10.30pm on Sunday ahead of a Monday 10am deadline, as UK fishing rights were, yet again, a major sticking point negotiators had to work through.

Sky News understands the EU wanted permanent access to UK waters for fishing, but they have agreed to access for 12 years.

There will be no change to the current access for UK fishing communities, with no reduction in British quotas or increase in the amount the EU is allowed to catch.

Fishing rights were a major part of the Brexit “leave” campaign, although fishing only accounts for 0.4% of GDP.

Details are expected later today on defence and security, which could feature an agreement allowing British firms access to a £125 billion EU defence.

The two sides were also looking at deals allowing British travellers to use e-gates at European airports and cutting red tape on food exports and animal/plant health for trade.

Sky News understands talks are continuing on a youth mobility scheme to allow people aged 18-30 in the UK and the EU to move freely between countries for a limited period of time.

Sir Keir Starmer promised in his 2024 election manifesto he would sign a new trade and security deal with the EU, and has embarked on a charm offensive across Europe since winning power.

Chancellor Rachel Reeves told a meeting of business leaders it had “not been easy” to reach a deal but said it would “make it easier” for UK businesses.

EU relations minister Nick Thomas Symonds said it was a “historic day”.

“Good for jobs, good for bills, good for borders,” he posted on X.

“And more…Britain back on the world stage, with a government in the service of working people.”

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Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch called the deal “very concerning” and said 12 years EU access for fishing is three times longer than the government wanted.

“We’re becoming a rule-taker from Brussels once again,” she said.

“And with no details on any cap or time limits on youth mobility, fears of free movement returning will only increase.”

Reform UK leader and Brexiteer Nigel Farage described the deal as a “surrender”.

Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds told Sky News details were still being worked out just three hours before the deadline.

With just over an hour to go before the 10am deadline, the EU ambassadors’ committee approved the deal, ahead of a summit with EU leaders in London this morning.

A news conference to announce the details of the deal is set for later.

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Post-Brexit EU reset negotiations ‘going to the wire’, says minister

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May 19, 2025

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Post-Brexit EU reset negotiations 'going to the wire', says minister

Negotiations to reset the UK’s post-Brexit relationship with the EU are going “to the wire”, a Cabinet Office minister has said.

“There is no final deal as yet. We are in the very final hours,” the UK’s lead negotiator Nick Thomas-Symonds told Sky’s Sunday Morning with Trevor Phillips.

On the possibility of a youth mobility scheme with the EU, he insisted “nothing is agreed until everything is”.

“We would be open to a smart, controlled youth mobility scheme,” he said. “But I should set out, we will not return to freedom of movement.”

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The government is set to host EU leaders in London on Monday.

Put to the minister that the government could not guarantee there will be a deal by tomorrow afternoon, Mr Thomas-Symonds said: “Nobody can guarantee anything when you have two parties in a negotiation.”

But the minister said he remained “confident” a deal could be reached “that makes our borders more secure, is good for jobs and growth, and brings people’s household bills down”.

“That is what is in our national interest and that’s what we will continue to do over these final hours,” he said.

“We have certainly been taking what I have called a ruthlessly pragmatic approach.”

On agricultural products, food and drink, Mr Thomas-Symonds said supermarkets were crying out for a deal because the status quo “isn’t working”, with “lorries stuck for 16 hours and food rotting” and producers and farmers unable to export goods because of the amount of “red tape”.

Asked how much people could expect to save on shopping as a result of the deal the government was hoping to negotiate, the minister was unable to give a figure.

On the issue of fishing, asked if a deal would mean allowing French boats into British waters, the minister said the Brexit deal which reduced EU fishing in UK waters by a quarter over five years comes to an end next year.

He said the objectives now included “an overall deal in the interest of our fishers, easier access to markets to sell our fish and looking after our oceans”.

Turning to borders, the minister was asked if people would be able to move through queues at airports faster.

Again, he could not give a definitive answer, but said it was “certainly something we have been pushing with the EU… we want British people who are going on holiday to be able to go and enjoy their holiday, and not be stuck in queues”.

PM opens door to EU youth mobility scheme

A deal granting the UK access to a major EU defence fund could be on the table, according to reports – and Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has appeared to signal a youth mobility deal could be possible, telling The Times that while freedom of movement is a “red line”, youth mobility does not come under this.

The European Commission has proposed opening negotiations with the UK on an agreement to facilitate youth mobility between the EU and the UK. The scheme would allow both UK and EU citizens aged between 18 and 30 years old to stay for up to four years in a country of their choosing.

Earlier this month, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper told Phillips a youth mobility scheme was not the approach the government wanted to take to bring net migration down.

When this was put to him, Mr Thomas-Symonds insisted any deal on a youth mobility scheme with Europe will have to be “smart” and “controlled” and will be “consistent” with the government’s immigration policy.

Asked what the government had got in return for a youth mobility scheme – now there had been a change in approach – the minister said: “It is about an overall balanced package that works for Britain. The government is 100% behind the objective of getting net migration down.”

Phillips said more than a million young people came to the country between 2004 and 2015. “If there isn’t a cap – that’s what we are talking about,” he said.

The minister insisted such a scheme would be “controlled” – but refused to say whether there would be a cap.

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‘It’s going to be a bad deal’

Shadow cabinet office minister Alex Burghart told Phillips an uncapped youth mobility scheme with the EU would lead to “much higher immigration”, adding: “It sounds very much as though it’s going to be a bad deal.”

Asked if the Conservatives would scrap any EU deal, he said: “It depends what the deal is, Trevor. And we still, even at this late stage, we don’t know.

“The government can’t tell us whether everyone will be able to come. They can’t tell us how old the young person is. They can’t tell us what benefits they would get.

“So I think when people hear about a youth mobility scheme, they think about an 18-year-old coming over working at a bar. But actually we may well be looking at a scheme which allows 30-year-olds to come over and have access to the NHS on day one, to claim benefits on day one, to bring their extended families.”

He added: “So there are obviously very considerable disadvantages to the UK if this deal is done in the wrong way.”

Jose Manuel Barroso, former EU Commission president, told Phillips it “makes sense” for a stronger relationship to exist between the European Union and the UK, adding: “We are stronger together.”

He said he understood fishing and youth mobility are the key sticking points for a UK-EU deal.

“Frankly, what is at stake… is much more important than those specific issues,” he said.