Nvidia’s earnings report shows the problem of being priced for perfection
Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang delivers a keynote address during the Nvidia GTC Artificial Intelligence Conference at SAP Center on March 18, 2024 in San Jose, California.
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Nvidia reported its fourth-straight quarter of triple-digit revenue growth on Wednesday, sailing past estimates on the top and bottom line while also issuing a forecast that topped Wall Street expectations. The company even bolstered its buyback program with a plan to repurchase $50 billion in shares.
But the stock dropped 7% in extended trading.
That’s life for Nvidia, which has ridden the artificial intelligence boom to a $3 trillion market cap, soaring almost nine-fold since the end of 2022 and surpassing every public company other than Apple in valuation. (It topped Apple for a stretch in June.)
In addition to reporting 122% annual revenue growth on Wednesday to over $30 billion, Nvidia said sales in the current period will jump about 80% to roughly $32.5 billion. Analysts were expecting close to $32 billion.
However, Stacy Rasgon, an analyst at Bernstein, told CNBC before the report came out that “buyside whispers” were closer to $33 billion to $34 billion, meaning Nvidia would have to dramatically surpass analyst estimates in its guidance in order to see a pop.
Rasgon, who recommends buying shares of the chipmaker, said there are no indications that demand is waning for Nvidia’s graphics processing units (GPUs), the core infrastructure for developing and running AI models.
“There’s still a ton of demand,” Rasgon said on CNBC’s “Closing Bell.” “They’re still shipping everything that they can sell.”
Nvidia said it expects to ship “several billion dollars” worth of Blackwell revenue in the fiscal third quarter, which ends in October. Blackwell is the company’s latest generation of technology, following Hopper. There had been some concerns that Blackwell would be delayed, but CFO Colette Kress said on the call with analysts that “supply and availability have improved.”
Still, “demand for Blackwell platforms is well above supply, and we expect this to continue into next year,” Kress said.
Other than missing the “whisper” numbers, some investors may be looking at Nvidia’s gross margin, which slipped a bit in the quarter to 75.1% from 78.4% in the prior period. That’s up from 43.5% two years ago and 70.1% in the fiscal second quarter of last year.
For the full year, the company said it expects its gross margin to be in the “mid-70% range.” Analysts were expecting full-year margin of 76.4%, according to StreetAccount.
‘Getting returns right away’
On the earnings call, analysts asked Nvidia executives about customers and whether they’re making money on their investment. Following the company’s prior report, Kress gave investors data points showing that a cloud provider could make $5 over four years selling access to $1 of Nvidia chips.
This time, Nvidia took a different approach. CEO Jensen Huang said on Wednesday’s call that Nvidia’s technology will be taking work away from traditional processors, like those made by Intel or AMD. He also said generative AI would start to do more coding, that companies like Meta can use Nvidia chips for recommender systems, and that nations are starting to buy more chips.
“The people who are investing in Nvidia infrastructure are getting returns on it right away,” Huang said.
Huang also said that next-generation AI models would require “10, 20, 40 times” more computing power, echoing comments recently made by former Google CEO Eric Schmidt.
The logo of Nvidia Corporation is seen during the annual Computex computer exhibition in Taipei, Taiwan.
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“The frontier models are growing in quite substantial scale,” Huang said.
He said Nvidia’s main customers are vying to be first to produce new AI advancements.
“The first person to the next plateau gets to introduce a revolutionary level of AI,” Huang said. “The second person who gets there is incrementally better or about the same.”
But buying into Nvidia at these levels is a bet that the company can continue to outperform very high expectations and requires a willingness to accept the kind of stock volatility generally reserved for much smaller companies.
After reaching a record in June, Nvidia proceeded to lose almost 30% of its value over the next seven weeks, shedding roughly $800 billion in market cap. It’s since recovered most of those losses.
In the past two years, the stock has moved 5% or more in a single day on 50 separate occasions. For Microsoft, that’s happened only six times, which is one more than for Apple. At Meta, it’s happened 21 times. Tesla fans, however, can relate. Shares of the electric automaker have moved at least 5% on more than 70 trading days over that stretch.
One reason for Nvidia’s increased volatility is that it relies on a small group of customers — including those mentioned above — for an outsized amount of its revenue. Top execs at Alphabet and Meta both acknowledged recently that they could be overspending in their AI buildout, but said the risk of underinvesting was too great for them to not be aggressive.
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Amazon was questioned by House China committee over ‘dangerous and unwise’ TikTok partnership
Amazon logo on a brick building exterior, San Francisco, California, August 20, 2024.
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Amazon representatives met with the House China committee in recent months to discuss lawmaker concerns over the company’s partnership with TikTok, CNBC confirmed.
A spokesperson for the House Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party confirmed the meeting, which centered on a shopping deal between Amazon and TikTok announced in August. The agreement allows users of TikTok, owned by China’s ByteDance, to link their account with Amazon and make purchases from the site without leaving TikTok.
“The Select Committee conveyed to Amazon that it is dangerous and unwise for Amazon to partner with TikTok given the grave national security threat the app poses,” the spokesperson said. The parties met in September, according to Bloomberg, which first reported the news.
Representatives from Amazon and TikTok did not immediately respond to CNBC’s request for comment.
TikTok’s future viability in the U.S. is uncertain. In April, President Joe Biden signed a law that requires ByteDance to sell TikTok by Jan. 19. If TikTok fails to cut ties with its parent company, app stores and internet hosting services would be prohibited from offering the app.
President-elect Donald Trump could rescue TikTok from a potential U.S. ban. He promised on the campaign trail that he would “save” TikTok, and said in a March interview with CNBC’s “Squawk Box” that “there’s a lot of good and there’s a lot of bad” with the app.
In his first administration, Trump had tried to implement a TikTok ban. He changed his stance around the time he met with billionaire Jeff Yass. The Republican megadonor’s trading firm, Susquehanna International Group, owns a 15% stake in ByteDance, while Yass has a 7% stake in the company, NBC and CNBC reported in March.
— CNBC’s Jonathan Vanian contributed to this report.
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Former U.S. Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning says censorship is still “a dominant threat,” advocating for a more decentralized internet to help better protect individuals online.
Her comments come amid ongoing tension linked to online safety rules, with some tech executives recently seeking to push back over content moderation concerns.
Speaking to CNBC’s Karen Tso at the Web Summit tech conference in Lisbon, Portugal, on Wednesday, Manning said that one way to ensure online privacy could be “decentralized identification,” which gives individuals the ability to control their own data.
“Censorship is a dominant threat. I think that it is a question of who’s doing the censoring, and what the purpose is — and also censorship in the 21st century is more about whether or not you’re boosted through like an algorithm, and how the fine-tuning of that seems to work,” Manning said.
“I think that social media and the monopolies of social media have sort of gotten us used to the fact that certain things that drive engagement will be attractive,” she added.
“One of the ways that we can sort of countervail that is to go back to the more decentralized and distribute the internet of the early ’90s, but make that available to more people.”
Nym Technologies Chief Security Officer Chelsea Manning at a press conference held with Nym Technologies CEO Harry Halpin in the Media Village to present NymVPN during the second day of Web Summit on November 13, 2024 in Lisbon, Portugal.
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Asked how tech companies could make money in such a scenario, Manning said there would have to be “a better social contract” put in place to determine how information is shared and accessed.
“One of the things about distributed or decentralized identification is that through encryption you’re able to sort of check the box yourself, instead of having to depend on the company to provide you with a check box or an accept here, you’re making that decision from a technical perspective,” Manning said.
‘No longer secrecy versus transparency’
Manning, who works as a security consultant at Nym Technologies, a company that specializes in online privacy and security, was convicted of espionage and other charges at a court-martial in 2013 for leaking a trove of secret military files to online media publisher WikiLeaks.
She was sentenced to 35 years in prison, but was later released in 2017, when former U.S. President Barack Obama commuted her sentence.
Asked to what extent the environment has changed for whistleblowers today, Manning said, “We’re at an interesting time because information is everywhere. We have more information than ever.”
She added, “Countries and governments no longer seem to invest the same amount of time and effort in hiding information and keeping secrets. What countries seem to be doing now is they seem to be spending more time and energy spreading misinformation and disinformation.”
Manning said the challenge for whistleblowers now is to sort through the information to understand what is verifiable and authentic.
“It’s no longer secrecy versus transparency,” she added.
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