I finally got a chance to test out Tesla Full Self-Driving (supervised) v12.5 myself, and my first impression is that the system drives more naturally, but it is still dangerous.
Vigilance is paramount.
Yesterday, I finally received a software update on my Tesla Model 3 that read ‘v12.5’ (12.5.2.1, to be exact).
I had been waiting for it for a while. You see, call me naive, but when Tesla CEO Elon Musk said last year that FSD updates on HW4 (newer Tesla vehicles) would lag about 6 months behind HW3 (older Tesla vehicles), I believed him:
It made sense. He promised unsupervised self-driving on millions of HW3 vehicles for years. It makes sense that Tesla focuses on delivering on the promise for these older vehicles with less computing power before starting to utilize the higher computing power on newer HW4 vehicles.
However, that didn’t happen.
Earlier this year, Musk promised significant improvements to FSD rolling every two weeks:
But I got FSD v12.3.6 on HW3 Tesla Model 3 at the time and didn’t receive any more FSD update for 6 months.
While this situation has greatly reduce my hopes of Tesla ever delivering on its promise of achieving self-driving on millions of vehicles sold since 2016, I was still excited to see this in the release notes on my car after an update this week:
Yesterday, I had to drive from Shawinigan to Trois-Rivieres (25 miles) and back. It was a good opportunity to test out the system on both surface streets and highways.
My first impression is that there are significant improvements in driving comfort. It drives way more naturally; the auto speed mode feature helps a lot. It drives at a speed that makes sense for the road rather than sticking to the speed limits plus or minus what you tell it.
The new driver monitoring system, which is vision-based rather than sending alerts asking you to tug on the wheels even though you are holding it, also helps make the system feel more natural.
Now, if you don’t look ahead to the road for a few seconds, you get an alert on the screen to pay attention to the road, which goes away if you bring your attention back to it or give inputs to the steering wheel.
These were the main changes. I didn’t see a significant improvement in performance, but the system is at least more enjoyable to use now. It makes using Tesla FSD less like a job and more like a feature, which is a welcomed change after more than two years of “FSD Beta” and now “Supervised FSD”.
I had to disengage the system as I was approaching my destination because the car insisted on going into the right lane when I needed to be on the left to stop. This was a minor annoyance, but a disengagement nonetheless.
On the way back, the car slowed down from my set speed on the highway for seemingly no reason. It is a common problem with Tesla FSD that I had in almost every iteration of the system. it can be dangerous on highways, but this time, it only slowed down by about 5-8 km/h and went back to the set speed in a few seconds without having to disengage.
However, shortly after, I had a more significant issue that resulted in a critical disengagement.
I had to make a left turn here:
A car was coming from the left, but it was pretty far and not coming fast. I would have done the turn without hesitation, but I wasn’t sure if FSD, which is often on the cautious side in those turns, would or if it would wait for the car to pass.
It decided to go, but it was almost as if it changed its mind a third of the way into the turn as it stopped, or at the least decelerated greatly into the turn; it’s hard to tell cause I had to react fast.
The front of the car was already in the way, so I had to take over and complete the turn faster to make sure the upcoming car didn’t crash into me.
Up until that point, I was pretty impressed by FSD v12.5. It’s a good reminder that as the tech improves and feels better, especially more natural like this update, it is super important to remain hyper-vigilant. The smoothness of this update can induce overconfidence, but it is still prone to errors, as I was quickly reminded.
Electrek’s Take
While I am impressed and I think it is an important step as FSD is now starting to feel like an actual feature rather than just homework for Tesla customers to train a system that Tesla sold to us years ago, I still find it hard to see a path from this to unsupervised self-driving, especially on HW3 cars.
Obviously, this was just my first drive, and I need to spend a bit more time with the system for a full review, but I had two disengagements, including a critical one, in about 50 miles. We are still very far from unsupervised.
My main fear is that as the system feels better, like with this update, more people will start getting complacent with it, which could lead to more accidents. I am hoping that Tesla’s new driver monitoring system will counter that potential complacency.
What do you think? Let us know in the comment section below.
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President Donald Trump speaks to members of the press in the Oval Office of the White House on Jan. 30, 2025.
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Donald Trump has confirmed he will impose 25% tariffs on imports from Mexico and Canada from February, following through on threats issued weeks earlier.
The blanket tariffs on the countries’ products will come into effect on Saturday, Feb. 1.
However, speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Thursday evening, Trump told reporters his administration was yet to determine whether oil imports would be included in the policy, noting that the decision was pinned on whether the two nations “treat us properly” and “if the oil is properly priced.”
“Oil is going to have nothing to do with it as far as I’m concerned,” he said. “We’re going to make that determination probably tonight on oil. Because they send us oil, we’ll see – it depends on what their price is.”
March contracts for Brent crude — the global benchmark for oil prices — were marginally higher at 8:06 a.m. London time, trading around $76.92 a barrel.
Trump told reporters the looming duties were being leveraged “for a number of reasons” and “may or may not rise with time.”
“Number one is the people that have poured into our country so horribly and so much,” he said. “Number two is the drugs fentanyl and everything else that have come into the country, and number three are the massive subsidies that we’re giving to Canada and Mexico in the form of deficits.”
“I’ll be putting the tariff of 25% on Canada and separately 25% on Mexico, and we’ll really have to do that because we have very big deficits with those countries,” he added.
On today’s exciting episode of Quick Charge, we explore the Tesla Q4 earnings call’s high-level weirdness, including the impact Bitcoin had on the bottom line, what it means for stock prices, and whether or not you’ll die without Tesla’s solar roof.
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Kia confirmed it will launch the EV4 this year as it fills out “a full lineup of popular EVs.” According to Kia, the EV4 is “an entirely new type of EV sedan with a distinct style and sports car-like proportions. However, it’s expected to be much cheaper than your average sports car. With its official debut around the corner, we are getting a closer look at what we can expect from the Kia EV4, including the inside. Check it out below.
The EV4 was revealed as a concept in October 2023 alongside the EV3 and EV5 as part of Kia’s new mass-market electric vehicle lineup.
After launching the EV3 in Korea, it’s now arriving in Europe and other overseas markets. The EV5 was initially launched in China, but Kia will bring the lower-priced electric SUV to Europe, Korea, Australia, and other regions in 2025.
Kia announced earlier this week that “the sedan-type electric vehicle EV4 will be launched sequentially around the world” after reporting Q4 and full-year 2024 earnings.
The EV4 will join the EV3, EV5, EV6, and EV9 to complete Kia’s “EVs for all,” with prices ranging from around $30,000 to upwards of $80,000. At the time, Kia said it plans to “significantly” and “rapidly” expand its electric car lineup, and it’s already making good on its promise.
Check out the Kia EV4, inside and out
Although we’ve already seen it a few times in public, including in the US late last year, a new video from HealerTV gives us a better idea of what to expect from the Kia EV4, including its interior.
One of the first things you will notice is the unique exterior profile. It appears to maintain much of the concept’s design with bold character lines and a streamlined silhouette.
Although not shown, the EV4 will feature Kia’s new ccNC (connected car Navigation Cockpit) infotainment system with dual 12.3″ driver display and infotainment screens.
The video shows what appears to be a spacious interior despite its expected smaller size. You can see how a car seat fits in the back seat with plenty of space.
Although prices and other specs will be revealed closer to launch, the EV4 is expected to start at around $30,000 to $40,000, depending on the market. Like the EV3, it’s also based on Hyundai’s E-GMP platform, which should deliver around 375 miles (WLTP) range, if not more, with the larger 81.4 kWh battery.
A hatchback EV4 model was also spotted out in public last year. The variant will likely be aimed at the European market.
Would you buy Kia’s electric sedan for around $35,000? Let us know in the comments below.
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