CEO Elon Musk finally took a first step in that direction during the conference call following the release of Tesla’s Q3 2024 financial results.
The CEO said when asked about Tesla achieving its promised unsupervised self-driving on HW3 vehicles:
We are not 100% sure. HW4 has several times the capability of HW3. It’s easier to get things to work on HW4 and it takes a lot of efforts to squeeze that into HW3. There is some chance that HW3 does not achieve the safety level that allows for unsupervised FSD.
This is the first time that Musk admitted that HW3 could potentially not support unsupervised self-driving.
However, as we previously reported, Tesla is currently using both NN nodes on HW3 even though one was originally meant as redundancy, which you need to achieve Tesla’s promised level 4-5 autonomy.
This makes it virtually impossible for Tesla to deliver on its promise as Tesla would need to keep developing software to solve self-driving, which is still far from accomplishing, and then not only have it on HW3, but optimize it enough to fit on a single node.
He said that Tesla would offer a computer upgrade if Tesla found out for sure that it couldn’t deliver on HW3:
If that turns out to be the case, we will upgrade those who bought HW3 FSD for free. And we have designed the system to be upgradable.
While the system is indeed “upgradable”, as Musk himself previously stated, HW3 can’t be upgraded to HW4 as it currently exist.
He said it wouldn’t make sense, and he is right. We know that HW4 uses different power and camera harnesses. The whole computer is also a different form factor that would make it hard to fit where the HW3 is installed.
Tesla would need to design a new version of the HW4 that can be retrofitted into HW3 cars.
Musk insists that HW3 cameras are “capable”, even though HW4 cameras have about 5x more megapixels, which would point to him seeing the compute power as the bigger issue.
Electrek’s Take
I think the more critical comment is this:
“We don’t actually know the answer to that.”
Again, I’d venture to say that this is not true. They know the answer and the answer is no for the reasons stated above, but even if that was an accurate statement, it should be worrying.
Elon admits that he, or Tesla really, doesn’t know precisely what it takes to get to full autonomy. That should be clear to anyone who has been following his comments on it for years. He said every year for the last 5 years that Tesla would solve autonomy by the end of the year.
Now, he is confident that this will happen next year, and we should believe him. Why?
The facts are that Tesla was wrong about the fact that HW2.5 is capable of self-driving. It was wrong about HW3 being capable of self-driving, and it is very likely wrong about HW4 being capable of self-driving. At the very least, it won’t know for sure until it solves it.
If that’s the case, why is Tesla selling the “Full Self-Driving” package and saying it will happen next year?
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Elon Musk said today that Tesla will double its electric vehicle production in the US in the next two years.
What would that look like? Let’s do the math.
Today, during a press conference to promote Tesla at the White House, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said the following:
“As a function of the great policies of President Trump and his administration, and as an act of faith in America, Tesla is going to double vehicle output in the United States within the next two years.”
This raises many questions, as Musk’s phrasing of the statement suggests that Tesla is planning to add previously unannounced production capacity in response to Trump’s policies.
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However, the reality could be different.
What is Tesla’s current production capacity in the US?
We only know Tesla’s installed capacity, which is much different than its actual production rate.
This is Tesla’s latest disclosed global production capacity at the end of 2024:
Region
Model
Capacity
Status
California
Model S / Model X
100,000
Production
Model 3 / Model Y
>550,000
Production
Shanghai
Model 3 / Model Y
>950,000
Production
Berlin
Model Y
>375,000
Production
Texas
Model Y
>250,000
Production
Cybertruck
>125,000
Production
Cybercab
—
In development
Nevada
Tesla Semi
—
Pilot production
TBD
Roadster
—
In development
In the US, it adds up to 1,025,000 vehicles per year.
In reality, Tesla’s factories are operating at a much lower capacity.
Based on sales and inventory from 2024, Tesla is currently building fewer than 50,000 Model S/X vehicles per year compared to an installed capacity of 100,000 units.
As for Model 3 and Model Y, Tesla is currently building them in the US at a rate of about 600,000 units per year compared to claimed installed capacity of over 800,000 units.
Finally, the Cybertruck is being produced at a rate of less than 50,000 units per year compared to an installed capacity of over 125,000 units.
This adds up to Tesla producing 700,000 units per year in the US in 2024.
What will be Tesla’s new capacity?
Considering Musk mentioned that it will happen “within the next two years”, it is unlikely that he is referring to installed capacity.
The CEO is most likely talking about Tesla’s actual production, which would also make sense, especially considering he mentioned “output.”
Tesla currently outputs roughly 700,000 vehicles per year in the US.
Doubling that would mean bringing the total to 1.4 million units per year, which would be an incredible feat, but it’s not entirely a new plan for Tesla.
First off, Tesla has already announced plans to unveil two new, more affordable models this year. These models are going to be built on the same production lines as Model 3/Y, which would potentially enable Tesla to fully utilize its installed capacity for those vehicles.
That’s another 200,000 units already.
As already mentioned in Tesla’s installed capacity table, the company is currently developing its production facility for the Tesla Semi electric truck in Nevada.
Production is expected to start later this year and ramp up next year. Tesla has previously mentioned a goal of 50,000 units per year. It would leave Tesla roughly a year and half to ramp up to this capacity, which is ambitious, but not impossible.
Then there’s the “Cybercab”, which was unveiled last year.
The Cybercab is going to use Tesla’s next-gen vehicle platform and new manufacturing system, which is already being deployed at Gigafactory Texas.
Production is expected to start in 2026, and Musk has mentioned a production capacity of “at least 2 million units per year”. However, he said that this would likely come from more than one factory and it’s unclear if the other factory would be in the US.
Either way, Tesla would need to ramp up Cybercab production in the US to 450,000 units to make Musk’s announcement correct.
It’s fair to note that all of this was part of Tesla’s plans before the US elections, Trump’s coming into power, or the implementation of any policies whatsoever.
Electrek’s Take
Based on my analysis, this announcement is nothing new. It’s just a reiteration of Elon’s plans for Tesla in the US, which were established long before Trump came to power or even before Elon officially backed Trump.
It’s just more “corporate puffery” as Elon’s lawyers would say.
Also, if I wasn’t clear, we are only talking about production here. I doubt Tesla will have the demand for that, especially if Elon remains involved with the company.
The Cybercab doesn’t even have a steering wheel, and if Tesla doesn’t solve self-driving, it will be hard to justify producing 450,000 units per year.
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The average incentive package for a new EV was 14.8% of the average transaction price (ATP), or approximately $8,162, the highest level in more than five years, according to the latest monthly new-vehicle ATP report from Cox Automotive’s Kelley Blue Book.
Incentives for EVs are more than twice the overall market. A year ago, EV incentives were 10.2%. EV incentives, as a percentage of ATP, have increased by 44% in the past year.
In February, at $55,273, new EV prices were lower by 1.2% from January – generally aligned with the industry – and higher by 3.7% year-over-year. The January EV ATP was revised higher by 0.06% to $55,929.
Compared to the overall industry ATP of $48,039, EV ATPs in February were higher by 15.1%, an increase from the 14.9% gap recorded in January.
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EV market leader Tesla increased ATPs by 1.8% year-over-year in February to $53,248 but decreased by 3.7% month-over-month from $55,315. Model 3, Model Y, and Cybertruck posted price declines in February compared to January; Model S and Model X saw month-over-month increases.
As sales cooled, the Cybertruck ATP in February dropped by more than 10% from January to an estimated $87,554.
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Donald Trump, the President of the United States, performed what basically amounts to an infomercial at the White House for Tesla, a company controlled by his biggest political donor, a day after its stock crashed.
Yesterday, Tesla’s stock crashed 15% – resulting in a 50% drop from its peak in December.
He has apparently followed through today, but he went a quite a bit further as he held a press conference in front of Tesla vehicles at the White House:
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The President, who has previously shared misinformation about electric vehicles being “unusable,” praised Tesla’s vehicles and said that he would be buying a Model S Plaid.
He is not allowed to drive, so he said that he would let White House staff use the vehicle instead.
Tesla’s stock (TSLA) rose up 5% on the publicity stunt today, but it closed up 3.8% compared to being down 15% yesterday.
Electrek’s Take
When I write those headlines, I feel like I’m running The Onion in an alternative universe where satire is the reality.
But you can’t accuse me of “clickbaiting” because this headline is actually accurate.
For years, Trump has been one of the biggest promoters of misinformation about electric vehicles in the US. We have often reported on the ridiculous things he has said about them.
That hasn’t changed. In fact, Trump is still pushing hard against electric vehicles. We recently reported on Trump shutting down 8,000 EV chargers at federal buildings and he is pushing to remove the tax credit on electric vehicles.
This is purely transactional. Elon gave him $250 million, so now that Tesla’s stock is in free fall, he gives him a boost.
Like his Bitcoin pump, it isn’t likely to work. My hope is that it will at least help open the minds of some of his fans to electric vehicles, but I have doubts.
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