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Elon Musk finally admits Tesla’s HW3 might not support full self-driving and that he doesn’t actually know what it will take.

Millions of Tesla vehicles are equipped with HW3 computers.

For the better part of the year, we have been reporting that Tesla can’t achieve its promise of “full self-driving on HW3, and it needs to come clean about it.

CEO Elon Musk finally took a first step in that direction during the conference call following the release of Tesla’s Q3 2024 financial results.

The CEO said when asked about Tesla achieving its promised unsupervised self-driving on HW3 vehicles:

We are not 100% sure. HW4 has several times the capability of HW3. It’s easier to get things to work on HW4 and it takes a lot of efforts to squeeze that into HW3. There is some chance that HW3 does not achieve the safety level that allows for unsupervised FSD.

This is the first time that Musk admitted that HW3 could potentially not support unsupervised self-driving.

However, as we previously reported, Tesla is currently using both NN nodes on HW3 even though one was originally meant as redundancy, which you need to achieve Tesla’s promised level 4-5 autonomy.

This makes it virtually impossible for Tesla to deliver on its promise as Tesla would need to keep developing software to solve self-driving, which is still far from accomplishing, and then not only have it on HW3, but optimize it enough to fit on a single node.

He said that Tesla would offer a computer upgrade if Tesla found out for sure that it couldn’t deliver on HW3:

If that turns out to be the case, we will upgrade those who bought HW3 FSD for free. And we have designed the system to be upgradable.

While the system is indeed “upgradable”, as Musk himself previously stated, HW3 can’t be upgraded to HW4 as it currently exist.

He said it wouldn’t make sense, and he is right. We know that HW4 uses different power and camera harnesses. The whole computer is also a different form factor that would make it hard to fit where the HW3 is installed.

Tesla would need to design a new version of the HW4 that can be retrofitted into HW3 cars.

Musk insists that HW3 cameras are “capable”, even though HW4 cameras have about 5x more megapixels, which would point to him seeing the compute power as the bigger issue.

Electrek’s Take

I think the more critical comment is this:

“We don’t actually know the answer to that.”

Again, I’d venture to say that this is not true. They know the answer and the answer is no for the reasons stated above, but even if that was an accurate statement, it should be worrying.

Elon admits that he, or Tesla really, doesn’t know precisely what it takes to get to full autonomy. That should be clear to anyone who has been following his comments on it for years. He said every year for the last 5 years that Tesla would solve autonomy by the end of the year.

Now, he is confident that this will happen next year, and we should believe him. Why?

The facts are that Tesla was wrong about the fact that HW2.5 is capable of self-driving. It was wrong about HW3 being capable of self-driving, and it is very likely wrong about HW4 being capable of self-driving. At the very least, it won’t know for sure until it solves it.

If that’s the case, why is Tesla selling the “Full Self-Driving” package and saying it will happen next year?

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Tesla jumped the gun, Nissan drivers will have to wait a bit for Supercharger access

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It sounds like Tesla jumped the gun when announcing that Nissan drivers now have access to the Supercharger network in North America.

They will have to wait a bit.

Yesterday, we reported that Tesla added Nissan to the list of automakers with EVs capable of using the Supercharger network in North America.

However, Tesla has since removed Nissan from its list of automakers with access and switched the Japanese automaker back to the “coming soon” list.

Nissan confirmed to Electrek that access is not currently available, but it will be available by the end of the year.

It sounds like a miscommunication on Tesla’s side. We hear that it should be coming soon.

Elon Musk fired Tesla’s entire charging team – seemingly to make an example of its then-head of charging, Rebecca Tinucci, who reportedly disagreed with Musk about making further layoffs following another layoff wave.

Instead of just firing her, Musk decided to fire the entire team and then sent an email to other Tesla managers using the charging team situation as a warning.

Tesla has since had to rehire several former members of its charging team to rebuild the department.

This is believed to have slowed down the opening of the Supercharger network to other automakers in North America. We were told that communications with Tesla’s charging team were difficult to non-existent for those automakers for weeks earlier this year.

As we have previously reported, the situation has definitely slowed down Tesla’s own deployment of Supercharger stations.

Nonetheless, the Supercharger network recently hit the milestone of 60,000 chargers worldwide.

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Northvolt files for bankruptcy, CEO quits

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Northvolt files for bankruptcy, CEO quits

Europe’s “green dream” Northvolt has filed for bankruptcy protection in the US after a rescue package failed to go through, leaving the battery maker with just one week’s worth of cash in the account. Cofounder and CEO Peter Carlsson, who spearheaded a costly expansion, has also quit.

The Swedish-owned battery maker filed for Chapter 11 in the Southern District of Texas, reports Bloomberg, with $5.8 billion debt. CEO Peter Carlsson, Telsa’s former chief products officer, stepped down from his role as CEO after the filing, but will remain onboard as advisor and director.

According to a statement, Northvolt said that its main factory will maintain business as usual during the reorganization, as the company now has a buffer from creditors, giving it time to restructure the balance sheet. However, the company said that this will not impact its business in Germany, and through the court process, Northvolt now has access to about $145 million in cash collateral. An additional $100 million in debtor-in-possession financing will be added to the pot via one of its customers, the report said.

In recent weeks, Northvolt has been in intense negotiations in the hope of securing a $300 million rescue package to give the company a bit more time to seek longer-term funding. But when that deal fell through, the battery maker was forced to seek protection from creditors via the Chapter 11 filing.  

The company still has a $7 billion project in place in Quebec – a new campus that is set to include a cell production plant, battery recycling, and cathode active-material production facilities –  and the bankruptcy won’t affect those plans, the company said on its website. “Northvolt Germany and Northvolt North America, subsidiaries of Northvolt AB with projects in Germany and Canada, are financed separately and will continue to operate as usual outside of the Chapter 11 process as key parts of Northvolt’s strategic positioning.”

The plant is expected to have capacity to produce 30 GWh of battery cell every year, with an expansion set to double that output, making it enough to power 1 million EVs. The Canadian government is putting $1.334 billion CND toward the project, with Quebec chipping in another $1.37 billion CND.

Northvolt has hit hard times in recent months, once thought of as Europe’s best shot to homegrown EVs and the makers of “the world’s greenest battery.” Enthusiasm mounted as the company opened the doors to its first plant in Sweden, in the small town of Skelleftea near the Arctic Circle, in 2021. Billions of dollars have been invested into the company, and Volvo, VW, and BMW rushed to place future orders.

All of this enthusiasm has been fueled by a vision to cut dependency on China by creating greener EV batteries using 100 percent recycled nickel, manganese, and cobalt. Plans were put in place to build factories in Gothenburg, in southern Sweden, and Poland, Germany, and Canada, all backed by huge government subsidies. Back in January, the company raised an additional $5 billion, firmly locking in its position as one of Europe’s best-funded startups and recipient of the largest-ever green loan in the EU.

But then things started going south, with Northvolt’s production problems and massive delays forcing BMW to cancel its €2 billion battery cell order with the company. This past May, Northvolt also announced that it pushing back its plans for an IPO until next year. The interim report that followed revealed the dire state of its finances and how far its production had fallen short of goals, with Carlsson admitting he had been “too aggressive” with the company’s expansion plan.

Since Northvolt has put in place a series of changes to reset the company’s course, including bringing onboard a new CFO, leaving the former CFO to focus solely on expansion plans. Plus the company started making cuts, including closing down its research center, Cuberg, in San Francisco and deprioritizing secondary businesses. At the end of September, Northvolt announced that it would cut 1,600 staff from three Swedish sites and about 20 percent of its international workforce.

Last month, Volvo started proceedings to take over their joint venture with Northvolt, while Volkswagen Group’s representative to Northvolt’s board stepped down this month. Sweden, for its part, is ruling out taking a stake to save its homegrown enterprise, Bloomberg reports. Carlsson had said last month that the company needs more than $900 million to permanently shore up its finances.

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YMX Logistics deploys 20 new Orange EV electric yard trucks

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YMX Logistics deploys 20 new Orange EV electric yard trucks

Leading yard operation 3PL YMX Logistics has announced plans to deploy fully twenty (20) of Orange EV’s fully electric Class 8 terminal trucks at a number of distribution and manufacturing sites across North America.

As the shipping and logistics industries increasingly move to embrace electrification, yard operations have proven to be an almost ideal use case for EVs, enabling companies like Orange EV, which specialize in yard hostlers or terminal tractors, to drive real, impactful change. To that end, companies like YMX are partnering with Orange EV.

“This relationship between YMX and Orange EV is a significant step forward in transforming yard operations across North America,” said Matt Yearling, CEO of YMX Logistics. “Besides the initial benefits of reduction in emissions and carbon footprint, our customers are also seeing improvements in the overall operational efficiency and seeking to expand. Our team members have also been sharing positive feedback about their new equipment and highlighting the positive impact on their health and day-to-day activities.”

This Orange looks good in blue

YMX Logistics electric yard trucks; by Orange EV.

One of the most interesting aspects of this story – beyond the Orange EV HUSK-e XP’s almost unbelievable 180,000 lb. GCWR spec. – is that this isn’t a story about California’s ports, which mandate EVs. Instead, YMX is truly deploying these trucks throughout the country, with at least four currently in Chicago (and more on the way).

“Our collaboration with YMX Logistics represents a powerful stride in delivering sustainable yard solutions at scale for enterprise customers,” explains Wayne Mathisen, CEO of Orange EV. “With rising demand for electric yard trucks, our joint efforts ensure that more companies can access the environmental, financial, and operational benefits of electrification … this is a win for the planet, the workforce, and the bottom line of these organizations.”

We interviewed Orange EV founder Kurt Neutgens on The Heavy Equipment Podcast a few months back, but if you’re not familiar with these purpose-built trucks, it’s worth a listen.

HEP-isode 26

SOURCE | IMAGES: YMX Logistics.

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