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A new report based on interviews with former test drivers who were part of Tesla’s internal self-driving team reveals the dangerous extremes Tesla is willing to go to test its autonomous driving technologies.

While you can make the argument that Tesla’s customers are self-driving test drivers as the automaker is deploying what it calls its “supervised self-driving” (FSD) system, the company also operates an internal fleet of testers.

We previously reported on Tesla hiring drivers all over the country to test its latest ‘FSD’ software updates.

Now, Business Insider is out with a new report after interviewing nine of those test drivers who are working on a specific project called ‘Rodeo’. They describe the project:

Test drivers said they sometimes navigated perilous scenarios, particularly those drivers on Project Rodeo’s “critical intervention” team, who say they’re trained to wait as long as possible before taking over the car’s controls. Tesla engineers say there’s a reason for this: The longer the car continues to drive itself, the more data they have to work with. Experts in self-driving tech and safety say this type of approach could speed up the software’s development but risks the safety of the test drivers and people on public roads.

One of those former test drivers described it as “a cowboy on a bull and you’re just trying to hang on as long as you can” – hence the program’s name.

Other than sometimes using a version of Tesla FSD that hasn’t been released to customers, the test drivers generally use FSD like most customers, with the main difference being that they are more frequently trying to push it to the limits.

Business Insider explains in more detail the “critical intervention team” with project Rodeo:

Critical-intervention test drivers, who are among Project Rodeo’s most experienced, let the software continue driving even after it makes a mistake. They’re trained to stage “interventions” — taking manual control of the car — only to prevent a crash, said the three critical-intervention drivers and five other drivers familiar with the team’s mission. Drivers on the team and internal documents say that cars rolled through red lights, swerved into other lanes, or failed to follow posted speed limits while FSD was engaged. The drivers said they allowed FSD to remain in control during these incidents because supervisors encouraged them to try to avoid taking over.

These are behaviors that FSD is known to do in customer vehicles, but drivers generally take over before it goes too far.

The goal of this team is to go too far.

One of the test drivers said:

“You’re pretty much running on adrenaline the entire eight-hour shift. There’s this feeling that you’re on the edge of something going seriously wrong.”

Another test driver described how Tesla FSD came within a couple of feet from hitting a cyclist:

“I vividly remember this guy jumping off his bike. He was terrified. The car lunged at him, and all I could do was stomp on the brakes.”

The team was reportedly pleased by the incident. “He told me, ‘That was perfect.’ That was exactly what they wanted me to do,” said the driver.

You can read the full Business Insider report for many more examples of the team doing very dangerous things around unsuspecting members of the public, including pedestrians and cyclists.

How does this compare to other companies developing self-driving technology?

Market leader Waymo reportedly does have a team doing similar work as Tesla’s Rodeo “critical intervention team”, but the difference is that they do the testing in closed environments with dummies.

Electrek’s Take

This appears to be a symptom of Tesla’s start-up approach of “move fast, break things”, but I don’t think it’s appropriate.

To be fair, none of the nine test drivers interviewed by BI said that they were in an accident, but they all described some very dangerous situations in which outsiders were dragged into the testing without their knowledge.

I think that’s a bad idea and ethically wrong. Elon Musk claims that Tesla is about “safety first”, but the examples in this report sound anything but safe.

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Porsche 718 Boxster and Cayman EVs will be late, and here’s why

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The electric Porsche 718 lineup is set to launch next year, bidding farewell to the gas-powered 718 Cayman and 718 Boxster. But that plan has hit a major snag in the fallout over Swedish battery maker Northvolt filing for bankruptcy.

Back in 2022, the Volkswagen subsidiary announced plans to replace the current generation of Porsche 718 with an all-electric range developed from the Mission R concept of 2021 and the GT4 ePerformance prototype from 2022. While only a few details have been released, Porsche did say that the 718 EV should have at least 250 miles of range and use a similar 800-volt architecture that allows the Taycan to DC fast-charge at a rate of up to 270 kWh. Not to mention the “real sports car” feels of the vehicle, with its battery tucked behind the driver’s seat to shift the center of gravity, allowing for more agile, flexible control.

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While Porsche hasn’t confirmed, reports say that the 718 was being developed with a battery from Northvolt, whose much-hyped ambitions for European sourced batteries have come crashing down this year. In 2019, Volkswagen had become Northvolt’s largest shareholder with a 21% stake, and a few years later signed an order for battery cells worth 14 billion euros over 10 years. Yet, things for Northvolt started to go southward. BMW canceled an 2 billion euro order earlier this year, followed by Volkswagen pulling out of the board and significantly reducing its shareholding. A few days later, Northvolt filed for bankruptcy in the US via its local subsidiary.

So now Porsche is left without a battery – and Northvolt’s high-energy density batteries were crucial to keeping the vehicle light and fast with smaller battery packs. While there are plenty of suppliers, the switch will require some maneuvering.

Other EVs could be impacted as well, as Audi’s deal with Northvolt for batteries used to power models based on the PPE platform, which includes the A6 e-tron, is left without a plan B. Audi, however, sources batteries from CATL and LG, so the company might have an easier transition to source batteries from another supplier already on its roster.

However, Porsche, too, is reviewing its electrification strategy and says it will extend and launch new ICE models in the next few years, reversing its decision to keep only the 911 as the surviving combustion engine after 2030.

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Both the US and Europe have been trying to break free from China’s control over the EV battery sector, and Northvolt’s failure has hit hard. BMW, Volvo, Volkswagen, and others were counting on Northvolt to supply batteries for future EVs. Plans were put in place to build factories in Gothenburg, in southern Sweden, and Poland, Germany, and Canada, all backed by huge government subsidies. Back in January, the company raised an additional $5 billion, firmly locking in its position as one of Europe’s best-funded startups and recipient of the largest-ever green loan in the EU.

Of course, other battery makers have hit hard times as well, including Stellantis-backed Automative Cells Company, which has stopped construction on factories in Germany and Italy. Volkswagen too has recently scaled back its plans to build battery cell factories in Europe and North America as well.  


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Lion Electric lays off half its staff, looks to Groupe Mach for a bailout

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Electric school bus maker Lion Electric has suspended manufacturing at its Joliet, Illinois facility after laying off nearly four hundred workers – more than half its global employees. The company hopes Canadian real estate developers Groupe Mach can save the day.

The remaining 300-off Lion Electric employees are working to manage the company’s ongoing operations – including sales, deliveries, and customer service – while the executive team engages Groupe Mach in discussions to provide more funding to the cash-strapped electric bus manufacturer.

The 900,000 square-foot Joliet factory opened in July 2023, and is the largest all-electric medium- and heavy-duty vehicle assembly plant in the US. At full capacity, the plant is capable of churning out some 20,000 electric vehicles annually. 

Groupe Mach and the Ontario-based Mirella & Lino Saputo Foundation were part of a group of investors that bought $90 million of equity in Lion Electric back in 2023, but Canada’s Financial Post reports that Mach will only step in if the Saputo family are also willing to put more cash to help bail the company out.

Financial Post said their source spoke on the condition of anonymity, as the talks are ongoing. The National Bank of Canada, and other Lion stakeholders, have given the temporary help to get through the next two weeks, suspending payments on a line of corporate credit line until Dec. 16, giving the troubled bus company nearly two weeks to source additional funds.

In addition to school buses, Lion Electric also manufacturers battery-electric Class 6 and 8 commercial trucks, and delivered the first all-electric tow truck in North America to a Canadian customer earlier this year.

Electrek’s Take

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This is tough news for the industry. Especially as someone who lives near Lion Electric’s Illinois facility and who’s traveled there many times and made a few friends there, I’m hoping the company gets the help it needs to keep going – they seem so close to making it, and a few well-timed POs could make all the difference Lion needs to keep on trucking busing.

SOURCE | IMAGES: Financial Post; Lion Electric, via California HVIP.

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China ducks EV tariffs, Tesla column stalks return, and an electric Cobra

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On today’s exciting episode of Quick Charge, you can get steering column stalks on your Tesla, the Honda Prologue becomes the best-selling GM Ultium-based EV, a new electric Cobra surfaces, and more!

We’ve also got Chinese automakers using V2G technology to help Japan protect itself against Earthquakes, free home batteries in Texas, and a whole lot more.

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