Fintech unicorns are watching Klarna’s debut for signs of when IPO window will reopen
Hiroki Takeuchi, co-founder and CEO of GoCardless.
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LISBON, Portugal — Financial technology unicorns aren’t in a rush to go public after buy now, pay later firm Klarna filed for a U.S. IPO — but they’re keeping a watchful eye on it for signs of when the market will open up again.
Last week, Klarna made a confidential filing to go public in the U.S., ending months of speculation over where the Swedish digital payments firm would list. Timing of the IPO is still unclear, and Klarna has yet to decide on pricing or the number of shares it’ll issue to the public.
Still, the development drew buzz from fintech circles with market watchers asking if the move marks the start of a resurgence in big fintech IPOs. For now, that doesn’t appear to be the case — however, founders say they’ll be watching the IPO market, eyeing pricing and eventually stock performance.
Hiroki Takeuchi, CEO of online payments startup GoCardless, said last week that it’s not yet time for his company to fire the starting gun on an IPO. He views listing as more of a milestone on a journey than an end goal.
“The markets have been challenging over the last few years,” Takeuchi, whose business GoCardless was last valued at over $2 billion, said in a CNBC-moderated panel at the Web Summit tech conference in Lisbon, Portugal.
“We need to be focused on building a better business,” Takeuchi added, noting that “the rest will follow” if the startup gets that right. GoCardless specializes in recurring payments, transactions that come out of a consumer’s bank account in a routine fashion — such as a monthly donation to charity.
Lucy Liu, co-founder of cross-border payments firm Airwallex, agreed with Takeuchi and said it’s also not the right time for Airwallex to go public. In a separate interview, Liu directed CNBC to what her fellow Airwallex co-founder and CEO Jack Zhang has said previously — that the firm expects to be “IPO-ready” by 2026.
“Every company is different,” Liu said onstage, sat alongside Takeuchi on the same panel. Airwallex is more focused on becoming the best it can be at solving friction in global cross-border payments, she said.
An IPO is a goal in the company’s trajectory — but it’s not the final milestone, according to Liu. “We’re constantly in conversations with our investors shareholders,” she said, adding that will change “when the time is right.”
‘Stars aligning’ for fintech IPOs
One thing’s for sure, though — analysts are much more optimistic about the outlook for fintech IPOs now than they were before.
“We outlined five handles to open the [IPO] window, and I think those stars are aligning in terms of the macro, interest rates, politics, the elections are out the way, volatility,” Navina Rajan, senior research analyst at private market data firm PitchBook, told CNBC.
“It’s definitely in a better place, but at the end of the day, we don’t know what’s going to happen, there’s a new president in the U.S.,” Rajan continued. “It will be interesting to see the timing of the IPO and also the valuation.”
Fintech companies have raised around 6.2 billion euros ($6.6 billion) in venture capital from the beginning of the year through Oct. 30, according to PitchBook data.
Jaidev Janardana, CEO and co-founder of British digital bank Zopa, told CNBC that an IPO is not an immediate priority for his firm.
“To be honest, it’s not the top of mind for me,” Janardana told CNBC. “I think we continue to be lucky to have supportive and long-term shareholders who support future growth as well.”
He implied private markets are currently still the most accommodative place to be able to build a technology business that’s focused on investing in growth.
However, Zopa’s CEO added that he’s seeing signs pointing toward a more favorable IPO market in the next couple of years, with the U.S. likely opening up in 2025.
That should mean that Europe becomes more open to IPOs happening the following year, according to Janardana. He didn’t disclose where Zopa is looking to go public.
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Blip, dip, pullback or the beginning of the end? Global investors weigh in on stock sell-off
Global investor sentiment for artificial intelligence remains buoyant, despite on the ongoing stock sell-off.
European and Asia markets have seen days of consecutive losses, tracking their U.S. counterparts lower as pressures mount on AI-related stocks and their valuations. The pan-European Stoxx 600 on Tuesday notched its lowest level in a month, with major bourses opening mixed on Wednesday, while Asia-Pacific markets fell.
Stateside, stock futures were little changed overnight after major U.S. indexes extended their losses. AI-related stocks such as Nvidia, Palantir, and Microsoft are among those feeling the pressure.
“We do think this is an AI specific pullback. We don’t think this is the beginning of the bear market,” Emma Wall, head of investment analysis at Hargreaves Lansdown, told CNBC’s “Squawk Box Europe.”
When considering whether this is the “beginning of the end” or a moment marking “the big pullback,” Wall argued that while we are overdue a “major global market correction,” the current downturn is yet to bring this shift.
Many markets outside of the U.S. — particularly in Europe and the U.K. — already reflect much of the negative news, she said, adding that she sees the pressure as sector specific.
It is, however, an opportunity to rebalance portfolios, as “even taking into consideration this week, most people have had a really good run, even in AI stocks,” Wall said.
Mike Wilson, chief U.S. equity strategist and chief investment officer at Morgan Stanley, echoed this sentiment. He said markets have been in a correction for the past six weeks but “it’s not the end of the AI cycle.”
All eyes are on Nvidia, considered the bellwether of AI, as it’s due to post third-quarter earnings after the closing bell on Wednesday.
“Whatever happens tonight is, if it is a blip, is a pullback, it’s probably a dip to be bought. But I think we are in the midst of somewhat of a correction right now,” Wilson told CNBC’s “Inside India,” adding that he thinks it’s the middle-inning.
“The credit part of this spending is just beginning, meaning we’re just starting to raise money in the credit markets. It’s not like that money is going to sit there and they’re not going to spend it, which means there’s probably time on the clock with these intermittent kind of pullbacks,” he added.
Companies and investors are engaged in a delicate dance.
On one side, AI labs and their partners are making big promises and aggressive plays, according to Jason Thomas, head of global research and investment strategy at Carlyle. “But it’s not incumbent upon investors to believe them,” he told CNBC’s Julianna Tatelbaum, from the firm’s annual conference.
“Investors, of course, have to ensure that they are getting compensated for the risk that things don’t work out quite as planned, and I think that there’s a sense that perhaps there’s been some assets in the space that have been priced to best case scenarios. So I think that that’s the reassessment that’s going on right now,” he said.
Hyperscalers’ rising capex
The sell-off comes as the pace of debt dealmaking picks up, fueling speculation that it may have unsettled investors, many of whom have remained bullish on AI as long as companies post sound earnings. Google-owner Alphabet and Meta have issued bonds, for example.
“It’s not a problem, as long as the funding markets are there, meaning they’re raising the debt,” Wilson added. “I mean, there’s investors lined up,” he said.
It does however, become a problem when this is no longer the case, but “we haven’t seen that yet,” he said.
AI has fundamentally changed the strategy for many Big Tech firms, particularly when it comes to U.S. hyperscalers, which have morphed into capex-heavy companies from once asset-light businesses. Global investors are now assessing this new dynamic. Bank of America‘s latest Global Fund Managers Survey found that, for the first time in two decades, fund managers are concerned about hyperscalers “overinvesting.“
“[Hyperscalers] traded at very high price-to-book ratios, which made a lot of sense. You don’t value a money-printing machine based on the cost of the paper or based on the cost of the printing press. And that’s essentially what they were, these massive money printing machines where most of their assets were intangible, proprietary technology, the digital platforms,” said Carlyle’s Thomas.
“Now they’ve actually started to invest so much that 70% of their cash flow is being consumed by capital spending and, if you look at their book value now, 70% actually consists of property, plant and equipment, largely data centers. That’s a four-fold increase from a decade ago,” he added.
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