
‘I walk into a room and people start coughing’: Rare condition makes people allergic to sufferers
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adminOn rare occasions that Medinah leaves her home, people around her will cough, sneeze and rub their eyes.
“I am the allergen,” the 23-year-old, who did not want her full name used, tells Sky News.
She is one of a group of people with a condition so rare it does not have an official medical name.
It is known simply as People Allergic To Me – often shortened to PATM.
Medinah spent a year online searching her symptoms before she found social media support groups and the name that had been coined there.
During those months, she worried she was “crazy”: “I thought, yes, I’m losing it now. But then after a year and the constant reactions with people, I just realised this cannot be in my head, I can’t be crazy, I’m seeing this in real time.”
Hay fever-type symptoms
Several of the people in those groups spoke to Sky News. They described people developing hay fever-type symptoms in their presence, saying as much as 90% of a room would start coughing, choking, or sneezing when they entered.
They detailed the immense toll of isolating themselves to avoid these reactions. Some said they had been suicidal; others talked of losing friends, giving up jobs, and spending hundreds of pounds on possible remedies.
Last year, PATM sufferers had a glimmer of hope. A researcher in Japan published the first cohort study on the condition – and it indicated there could be a physical cause.

Medinah has suffered from People Allergic To Me since 2020
Speaking to Sky News from Tokyo, Professor Yoshika Sekine from Tokai University describes what he found when he compared the skin gases emitted by 20 people with PATM to a control group of 24.
He discovered the PATM group had “very specific characteristic skin gas patterns”, giving off higher levels of certain chemicals that are known to provoke respiratory symptoms in people exposed to them.
One of them, toluene, is used in the manufacture of explosives, paints and plastics and as a solvent in some types of paint thinner and glue. It can cause irritation to the eyes, nose, throat and respiratory tract, according to Public Health England – and people with PATM emitted 39 times more of it than the control group.
The other chemicals Prof Sekine identified as being particularly important are sulphur compounds, which have a “very strong, pungent odour” and hexanol, which has a hay-like smell.
These chemicals are known to trigger respiratory symptoms and skin irritation and are both linked to sick building syndrome, a condition recognised by the World Health Organisation where people are made ill by the building in which they live or work.
The study concluded: “We must carefully consider the possibility that the chemicals emitted by the PATM group may induce chemical intolerance in those around them.”
‘You feel you don’t have the right to live’
It’s been about 18 months since Fahima started noticing reactions from people around her.
“Wherever I go, if I go into a shop, if I’m out, if I walk past someone, people will sneeze and hysterically cough,” she tells Sky News.
In that time, she’s shifted to working entirely from home. She has stopped attending her nine-year-old son’s school plays because “I don’t want to impact the children”.
She shops in the early, quiet hours. The school run is the only time she regularly leaves the house.
“From the minute I wake up, the first thought is, how are people going to react to me today? I have to minimise myself so that I don’t impact other people.”
She says she also gives off an odour that developed from sweat to fish and then faeces.
There is a medically recognised condition called trimethylaminuria (TMAU) – sometimes called “fish odour syndrome” for the smell sufferers emit – that is sometimes grouped together with PATM.
However, there are PATM sufferers who say their symptoms are not accompanied by any discernible smell.
Dr Robin Lachmann, one of the country’s leading doctors specialising in TMAU, tells Sky News that unlike PATM, TMAU is a condition “which we understand well and can treat”.
A key difference is that while people around the patient may find the odour unpleasant, “these responses aren’t allergic”.
Fahima took a test for TMAU which came back negative – but even getting the test took a year of “legwork” on her part, she says.
“With PATM, doctors say even if you want to get tested, there’s no diagnosis. There’s no way to treat it.”
The reactions Fahima gets aren’t just involuntary coughs and sneezes, she says, but insults and abuse.
“You know what? I don’t blame people. Especially the people that are having allergic reactions to us, we’re physically making them sick, so I don’t expect them to have any other reaction.”
But it’s “draining”, she says, and makes her “incredibly depressed”.
“It makes you feel like you don’t have the right to live, almost. Because why should you be in a place making someone else feel uncomfortable?”

Sufferers describe isolating themselves to avoid reactions from other people. Pic: iStock
Fahima says the allergic reactions vary depending on her diet. If she eats a lot of sugar, meat or carbohydrates, the following day she will notice a lot of people sneezing.
Her son mostly doesn’t react to her, she says, but when she eats meat his reactions are so severe she will give him an antihistamine.
Prof Sekine says while skin gases are typically influenced by diet, he hasn’t yet been able to find a link for PATM. But he has spoken to people who have improved their symptoms by cutting out dairy, increasing their intake of antioxidants and working on boosting good gut bacteria.
He also suggests why not everyone reacts to people with PATM. He says it could be to do with sensitivity to chemicals, with some people affected by very low doses in the air around them.
Just as not everyone suffers from hay fever when there’s a high pollen count, not everyone will be sensitive to the higher chemicals in the skin gases of PATM patients.
‘It’s all in your head’
The PATM sufferers who spoke to Sky News invariably said they had been told the condition was “all in their head”.
There is a recognised psychological condition that bears similarities to PATM called Olfactory Reference Disorder, or ORD.
People with ORD are preoccupied with the belief they are giving off a bad smell despite there being no odour, explains Professor David Veale, a consultant psychiatrist at the Nightingale Hospital.
It can have a “devastating” impact on peoples’ lives as they dedicate their energy to tackling the perceived problem and avoid social situations out of fear of being “shamed, humiliated, rejected”, he says.
“They are very stressed and very disabled by it. But no one can convince them that they can’t smell them. They think they’re just saying that to be nice.”
Prof Veale says the difference between PATM and ORD appears to be that ORD patients are preoccupied with their perceptions of what other people think about an imagined smell, while PATM sufferers perceive physical reactions in other people.
Prof Sekine also identifies this difference in his research, concluding PATM is unique “in that it affects the people around them, at least based on descriptions by people with PATM”.

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Sandra, who did not want to use her real name, says she seriously considered whether her condition could “be in my head” after her doctor suggested she had ORD.
“I’d had too many incidents happen for that to be true,” she says.
“I was even bullied at work about it in one job.”
Almost 60, Sandra has lived with the condition for 15 years. She says she used to have a good career, but no longer works “partly due to the stress and anxiety that this causes”.
Her first sign of PATM came when she returned to work after a bout of sickness and her boss had a “sneezing fit” every time he came into her office.
A deep clean didn’t sort what she thought was a dust issue – and then she noticed other colleagues reacting in the same way, then friends and even her husband.
“Eventually it occurred to me that it must be me causing this, which filled me with horror,” she says.
“When the reactions are at their worst, I have a similar reaction myself, that is I become allergic to myself.
“I have other symptoms like a bad taste in my mouth, itchy throat, itchy skin with a mild rash on my abdomen and spiking mild temperature.”
But making others react is the worst part: “It makes me feel dreadfully guilty to be causing all of this and I have severe anxiety and depression as a result.”
Alex’s 24-year-old brother Miguel first noticed PATM symptoms about 10 years ago, but didn’t tell his family until he was 19.
Many people with PATM say close relatives do not get symptoms, and Alex does not notice himself reacting to his brother.
He says it’s also hard to say whether more people cough and sneeze around his brother because it’s such a commonplace thing – but Miguel will notice every cough or nose scratch, and someone having a coughing fit can be enough to make him stay in his room for days.
Alex recalls being at a restaurant with their grandparents when Miguel first told them about the condition, and his grandmother agreed she could hear people “just constantly coughing in the restaurant”.
“That seemed like an increase to what’s normal. But then how do you know what normal is if you’re not paying attention to it?”
PATM is easy to write off as “just” psychological because “it sounds ridiculous”, Alex says, but his first concern when his brother opened up about the condition was to find a way to cope with the impact on his mental health.
“That’s the important thing – and then it doesn’t matter whether it’s real or not.”
What causes PATM?
The cause of PATM is a puzzle to sufferers and researchers alike. Some people say their symptoms started during a time when they were eating a lot of fast food or experiencing high stress.
Sufferers trade theories about possible triggers: a disrupted gut microbiome, fungal infections, sinus problems.
“You’re like your own doctor, your own medical team,” Medinah says. “I literally stay up all night researching.”
Sandra and another person who spoke to Sky News found their PATM flared after a course of antibiotics, while others described developing skin issues before other symptoms.
MEBO Research, a small collective of researchers investigating rare genetic metabolic diseases, has conducted exploratory studies of PATM without being able to pinpoint a cause beyond an apparent issue with the body’s “detoxification process”.
Mehmet Ali, MEBO’s director of community outreach and strategy, tells Sky News PATM needs attention and research from the medical community.
Prof Sekine’s research also did not identify a cause – although it is his goal to find it. “I would like to define the criteria for what PATM is, and what it is not. This is a very difficult point,” he says.
Without even a criteria of what PATM is, there is no formal diagnosis. NHS England told Sky News it follows NICE guidelines, and there are none for PATM.
A spokesperson for NICE said it “can only look at treatments that are licensed by the UK regulators… If they have not been licensed for PATM, we cannot recommend them for the condition”.
But finding a treatment seems a distant dream to sufferers who share remedies on Facebook and Reddit: supplements of every variety, antibiotics, digestive enzymes, probiotics, herbal treatments.
Sufferers go to extreme lengths in search of solutions. Fasts; eliminating sugar, gluten and dairy; raw veganism and its opposite, the “carnivore diet” – essentially just eating meat, eggs and dairy.
But what might grant one person temporary relief doesn’t necessarily work for someone else.
Sandra sees no end to her 15 years of misery: “We are all just waiting for a cure with our lives in effect on hold but I’m nearly 60 now and not confident it will happen in my lifetime.”
‘It crushes you like nothing has crushed you before’
Amir, who did not want to use his real name, says without family relying on him “I wouldn’t be here, that’s how bad I feel sometimes”.
He describes a life that has become “really, really unbearable”. He says he has lost all his friends “because they can’t be in the same areas as me” and even avoids the mosque.
“I do an experiment – I stay out of the room to see if anyone is coughing, then go in the room for a few minutes. The majority of people will start reacting.”
Not everyone with PATM who spoke to Sky News isolates themselves. Some hold down jobs and socialise – but none seem immune to the mental health impacts of the condition.
They describe the loneliness of not just being physically isolated, but of being misunderstood by doctors, friends and family; the guilt of feeling you’re making another person ill; the despair of there being no treatment or cure.
Medinah describes her mental health as “shattered, it’s non-existent”.
“In the beginning it crushes you, it crushes you in a way that nothing has ever crushed you before.”
She says she quit her job as a teaching assistant because she was getting “aggressive” reactions, and now life is at a “complete stop”.
She gets emotional talking about the future: “I don’t feel excited at all. I don’t even like to think about it. The reality is so sad. I can’t even go to the local park, I can’t do anything.”
Anyone feeling emotionally distressed or suicidal can call Samaritans for help on 116 123 or email jo@samaritans.org in the UK. In the US, call the Samaritans branch in your area or 1 (800) 273-TALK.
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7/7 bombings: Stories that define the bravery of victims and responders 20 years on
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Monday marks 20 years since the 7/7 attacks, which saw four suicide bombers kill 52 people and injure 770 others on the London transport network.
The attacks on 7 July 2005 all happened within an hour of each other, with the bombers having met at Luton railway station in the morning before heading to King’s Cross.
Shezhad Tanweer detonated his device at Aldgate, Mohammed Sidique Khan at Edgware Road, and Germaine Lindsay between King’s Cross and Russell Square – all within three minutes of 8.50am.
Habib Hussain detonated his bomb on board the number 30 bus at Tavistock Square at 9.47am.

Emergency services at Aldgate station after one of the explosions. Pic: PA
Two decades have passed, but for the victims’ families, survivors and the responders, the impact is still being felt.
Sky News spoke to some of the people profoundly affected by the attacks.
Passenger went back to the tracks to save lives
Adrian Heili was in the third carriage of the westbound Circle Line train heading towards Paddington.
It was in the second carriage that Mohammad Sidique Khan blew up his device at Edgware Road, killing six people.
If Adrian hadn’t been there, it may well have been more.
He managed to get out of the train and, having previously served as a medic in the Armed Forces, instantly made it his mission to save as many lives as possible.
“Instinct took over,” he tells Sky News.
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7/7 survivor saw ‘bodies on the track’
His bravery first brought him to Daniel Biddle, who had been blown out of the second carriage and was now trapped in a tight space between the tunnel wall and the track.
Adrian remembers crawling in blood to reach Daniel, who he now calls Danny. His left leg had been blown off, his right severed from the knee down and he lost an eye, along with suffering other extensive injuries.
He pinched shut the artery in Daniel’s thigh to stop the bleeding until paramedics got to him.
Daniel has written a book about his experiences, titled Back From The Dead, and has credited Adrian with saving his life.
Adrian eventually helped first responders carry him out. Then he went back into the tunnel several times over to assist with the evacuation of 12 other people.
He pays tribute to the first responders at the scene, who he says were “amazing”.
“Myself and another gentleman by the name of Lee Hunt were the last to actually leave Edgware Road,” he adds.
“And I remember sitting at the top of the platform on the stairs and just looking out after everyone had left.”
In his book, Daniel has been open about his struggles with PTSD after the attack.
Adrian says he has had a “very good support network” around him to help him deal with the aftermath, and adds that talking about it rather than “holding it in” has been vital.
“It still plays an effect on myself, as it has with Danny,” he says, who he has formed a close bond with.
He says PTSD triggers can be all around the survivors, from police and ambulance sirens to the smell of smoke from cooking.
“But it’s how we manage those triggers that that define us,” he says.
On the 20-year anniversary, he adds: “It’s going to be an emotional time. But I think for me, it’s going to be a time of reflection and to honour those that are not with us and those that were injured.
“They still have a voice. They have a voice with me and I’ll remember it. I’ll remember that day and that, for me, is very important.”
‘Instinctively, I decided to see if there was something I could do to help’
You may recognise Paul Dadge from the photograph below, where he’s helping a 7/7 bombing victim after she sustained severe burns to her face.
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7/7 first responder recalls day of attack
It went viral before the social media age, featuring on the front of national newspapers, and in others across the world.
The Londoner, who was 28 at the time, was on his way to an office in Hammersmith where he had just got a job.
He passed Edgware Road, where he saw a commotion as people rushed out of the station, and an emergency responder go in.
He didn’t yet know that one of the bombers had just set off the explosive in their backpack.
“Instinctively, I decided to see if there was something I could do to help,” he told Sky News.
Paul, who was a former firefighter, made an announcement to those standing outside the station, telling them to stick together if they had been affected by whatever had happened and to wait at a shop near the scene until they had spoken to a police officer.
Many had black soot on their faces, he says, adding that he initially assumed it was due to a power surge.
Eventually the store was evacuated, so Paul went with the victims to a nearby hotel, and it was while doing so that photographers snapped the famous photos of him comforting the victim with a gauze mask, who had been badly burned.
He started noting down the names and details of those who had been injured, along with the extent of their injuries, so that he could pass them onto the emergency services.
It was only three hours after the incident that Paul found out the injuries had been caused by an attack.
His actions had him deemed a hero by the public.
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“I know that after that bombing had occurred, everybody worked together as a team,” he says. “I think it’s a bit of a British thing, really, that when we’re really in trouble, we’re very, very good at working together to help each other.”
He says he is still in touch with people he met on that day, including the victim he was photographed with.
He also says the rest of his life has been “carved” by that day, and that he is now much more politically active and conscious of how emergency services respond to major incidents.
He believes emergency services are “a lot more prepared than they were on 7th July”, but adds that he still thinks they would find it “very difficult” to deal with an incident on the scale of the 7/7 attacks today.
‘What is haunting are those screams’
Sajda Mughal is a survivor of the bombing that hit a Piccadilly line train between King’s Cross and Russell Square.
She tells Sky News that about 10 seconds after leaving King’s Cross “there’s a massive bang… which was the explosion”.
“The train shook as if it was an earthquake, and came to a sudden standstill. I fell off my chair to the ground, people fell forward, lights went out.”
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7/7 survivor: ‘We were told don’t look back’
Sajda adds: “The black smoke that was coming through, it was really intense. And then all I could hear was screams. I could hear people screaming, I could hear people shouting, someone grabbing on to me saying, ‘are you okay’.”
She was “frozen and just going into that thought process of we’re going to die, and then me thinking I haven’t said bye to my loved ones, I haven’t got married, I haven’t had kids, I haven’t seen the world.”
She says that “what is haunting from that morning are those screams and hearing ‘blood, she’s hurt, he’s hurt'”.
Sajda says that as she and others were escorted out through the carriage to King’s Cross, the emergency services told them not to turn around and don’t look back.
She thinks that was because the rescuers didn’t want them to see injured individuals, “so it was a very, very surreal, very traumatic and emotional experience”.
Sajda, who is the only known Muslim survivor of 7/7, says getting through the attack alive “turned my life around 360”.
“I took that pain and I turned it into a positive because I didn’t want that happening again. And so I left the corporate world, I left my dream to want to change hearts and minds.”
She became involved with the JAN Trust, including its work countering extremism.
“I have travelled across the UK, I’ve worked with thousands of mothers and Muslim mothers. I have helped to educate them on radicalisation. And I’ve heard from mothers whose sons… went to Syria, who joined ISIS and died.”
Calls for a public inquiry
Graham Foulkes, whose son David was killed in the Edgware Road Tube bomb, wants there to be a public inquiry into what happened.
He says a “public inquiry is the only way because at a public inquiry people can be compelled to come and give evidence. At an inquest, they can just say ‘no, I’m not coming’ and that’s what happens”.
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7/7: ‘We should have a son’
He adds: “The fact that we’re here 20 years later, there are unanswered questions and terrorists are still slipping through, still getting past MI5, still get past MI6 and MI5, needs to be answered.
“We need to have a better system in place and by not being honest and open about what happened 20 years ago, we’ve got no mechanism in place at all.
“It’s still the same people making the same decisions that allowed MSK [Mohammed Sidique Khan] to get through and allowed the Manchester Arena attack and the Westminster Bridge attack. It’s still the same people, still the same processes. The processes need to change.”

David Foulkes
Speaking of the last 20 years, Graham says: “We’re lucky enough to have a daughter, and we have the two most wonderful grandchildren as well. But we should have a son, and he should have his family.
“And I shouldn’t be having this conversation with you. I should be at home at this time having dinner or going to the pub with David, and it’s not possible to describe the feeling of having your son murdered in such a pointless way.”
‘The resilience was as inspiring as the attack was ghastly’
“Most of all, my thoughts are with the families of the 52 people who lost their lives and also the more than 700 who were injured, some of them horrifically seriously on that day,” Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley says.
He also pays tribute to those who stepped forward on the day, like Paul Dadge, and the emergency services, who he says acted “extraordinarily” to help others.
“They and the families and the victims – what strikes me is how they’re still carrying the effects of that day through to today and for the rest of their lives,” he adds, saying you can still see the “heavy burden” many of them carry 20 years on.
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‘We’re in difficult times’, Met Police chief says
The commissioner, who was a senior officer in Surrey at the time, says he remembers the “slow horror” of watching on as investigating and reporting uncovered what had happened.
“The way everyone stepped forward, the bravery… the resilience was as inspiring as the attack was ghastly.”
He says the attacks have led to “massive changes” in counter-terrorism work to better protect the public.
“The first was the changes that brought policing and our security services, particularly MI5, much more close together so that we now have the closest joint operating arrangements anywhere in the world,” he says.
“And secondly, counter-terrorism work became something that wasn’t just about what was based in London and a network was built with bases in all of the regions across the country.”
He adds the unit now has a reach “far stronger and far more effective at protecting communities than we had before that day”.
Asked about those who may still feel under threat from similar attacks now, he says the public has “extraordinary people working hard day in and day out to protect you” and that policing and security services have strengthened due to experiences like that of the 7/7 bombings.
“The efforts of all those who were involved on that day… that all feeds through to today… [and gives us] one of the strongest and most effective preventative approaches you could possibly have,” he says.
“But sadly we are in difficult times and no system will ever be perfect,” he adds, but concludes by saying communities can “be rest assured about the amazing work that’s going on”.
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Boy, four, dies after gravestone falls on him at Rawtenstall Cemetery in Lancashire, police say
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A four-year-old boy has died after a gravestone fell on him at a cemetery, police have said.
The boy was fatally injured at Rawtenstall Cemetery on Burnley Road, Haslingden, at lunchtime on Saturday, Lancashire Police said.
Paramedics tried to save him but “tragically” the boy died in the “devastating” incident, the force said in a statement.
Officers were called to the cemetery at 1pm “following reports a gravestone had fallen onto a child.
“Tragically, and despite the best efforts of the emergency services, the boy sadly died. Our thoughts are with his loved ones at this devastating time.”
His death was not being treated as suspicious and a file will be sent to the coroner “in due course”.
Rossendale Borough Council posted on X on Saturday evening: “We are deeply saddened by the tragic death of a young child at Rawtenstall Cemetery today. Our thoughts are with the family at this devastating time.
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Andy MacNae, Labour MP for Rossendale and Darwen, said on Facebook his thoughts went out to the family and everyone affected by the “tragic incident”.
Local councillor Liz McInnes also wrote on Facebook it was “a terrible tragedy. My heartfelt and deepest sympathies to the family of this poor boy. The whole of Rawtenstall is grieving”.
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How Prevent is tackling young extremism 20 years after the 7/7 bombings
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Radicalised nine-year-olds, teenagers mixing incel culture with extreme right ideologies and a Muslim who idolises Hitler – this is just some of the casework of those tasked with deradicalising young extremists in the UK.
Monday will mark 20 years since the 7/7 attacks on the London transport network when four suicide bombers killed 52 people and injured 770 others.
A year later the government set up its deradicalisation programme Prevent as part of its counter-terrorism strategy.
Sky News has spoken to two leading intervention providers (IPs) at Prevent who both say their work is getting ever more complex and the referrals younger.
The Metropolitan Police’s Prevent co-ordinator, Detective Superintendent Jane Corrigan, has also told Sky News it is “tragic” that when it comes to terrorism, “one in five of all our arrests is a child under 17”.
She believes parents should talk to their children about what they are reading and seeing online.
“Parents instinctively know when something doesn’t feel right when their child is becoming withdrawn or isolated – not wanting to engage,” she says.
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‘A pic-n-mix of ideologies’
Home Office figures show 11-year-olds are the largest age group to get referred.
Concerning cases are passed on to IPs such as Nigel Bromage who told Sky News: “Often there will be a pic-n-mix of ideologies.
“From my own examples and experience, we are aware of people looking at the incel culture and mixing that with some far-right elements.”

Sky’s Jason Farrell with intervention provider Nigel Bromage, who was exposed to extremism when he was a child
Incels, meaning “involuntary celibates” are men who have been unable to have a relationship with women despite wanting one and become misogynistic and hateful as a result.
Like many IPs, Mr Bromage from Birmingham comes from an extremist background himself, having once been a regional organiser for the proscribed Neo-Nazi group Combat 18.
For him too, it began as a child.
“It all started with someone giving me a leaflet outside my school gates,” Mr Bromage says.
“It told me a horrific story about a mum getting killed by an IRA bomb explosion – and at the end of the leaflet there was a call to action which said: ‘If you think it’s wrong then do something about it’.”
He developed a hatred for Irish republican terrorism which morphed into general racism and national socialism.
“At the very end I thought I was going to go to prison, or I would end up being hurt or even killed because of my political beliefs,” he says.

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Boy, 9, groomed by his brother
Mr Bromage reveals his youngest case was a nine-year-old who had been groomed by his brother.
“He was being shown pro-Nazi video games, and his older brother was saying ‘when I go to prison or I get in trouble – they you’re the next generation – you’re the one who needs to continue the fight’,” he says.
“Really, he had no interest in the racist games – he just wanted to impress his brother and be loved by his brother.”

Every year, nearly 300 children who are 10 or younger are referred to Prevent.
Home Office figures show that over the last six years 50% of referrals were children under the age of 18.
Eleven-year-olds alone make up a third of total referrals, averaging just over 2,000 a year, with the figure rising even higher in the most recent stats.
Another IP, Abdul Ahad, specialises in Islamic extremism.
He says the catalyst for radicalisation often comes from events aboard.
Ten years ago, it was Syria, more recently Gaza.
“It is often a misplaced desire to do something effective – to matter, to make a difference. It gives them purpose, camaraderie and belonging as well – you feel part of something bigger than you,” he says.

Fifty-two people were killed on 7 July 2005 when four suicide bombers blew up three London Underground trains and a bus. Pic: PA
Clients want someone to ‘hear them’
Some of his clients “don’t fit into any particular box”.
“I’m working with a guy at the minute, he’s a young Muslim but he idolises Hitler and he’s written a manifesto,” he says.
“When you break it down, some people don’t know where they fit in, but they want to fit in somewhere.”
Mr Ahad says the young individual mostly admires Hitler’s “strength” rather than his ideologies and that he was drawn to darker characters in history.
Often his clients are very isolated and just want someone to “hear them”, he adds.
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Intervention provider Abdul Ahad specialises in Islamic extremism
Mr Ahad is also an imam who preaches at the Al-Azar Mosque in South Shields, a well-regarded centre for community cohesion and outreach.
He uses his understanding of the Islamic faith in his Prevent sessions to help guide his referrals away from extreme interpretations of the Koran by offering “understanding and context”.
He says: “We quote the correct religious texts – we explain their responsibility as a Muslim living in the UK and we re-direct their energies into something more constructive.”
Common theme of mental health issues
Mental health problems are a common theme among those referred to Prevent including depression and autism.
A recent inquest into the death of autistic teenager Rhianan Rudd found she took her own life after being radicalised by two white supremacists.
Her mother was critical of Prevent, as well as the police and MI5 after she had referred her daughter to the deradicalisation programme and Rhianan was subsequently charged with terrorism offences.

Last month a coroner found some failings in the processes around protecting Rhianan, but none of them attributable to Rhianan taking her own life.
Det Supt Corrigan says a referral doesn’t mean individuals end up being arrested or on an MI5 watchlist.
She says: “You’re not reporting a crime, but you are seeking support. I would say the earlier you can come in and talk to us about the concerns you have the better. Prevent is just that – it is a pre-criminal space.
“It’s tragic when you see the number of young people being arrested for very serious charges. Just look at terrorism – one in five of all our arrests is a child under the age of 17. We need to think about how we respond to that.”
Prevent has been criticised for failures such as when Southport killer Axel Rudakabana failed to be recognised as needing intervention despite three referrals, or when MP David Amiss’ killer Ali Harbi Ali went through the programme and killed anyway.

Axel Rudakubana failed to be recognised as needing intervention despite three referrals. Pic: Merseyside police
It’s harder to quantify its successes.
Mr Ahad says he understands why the failures hit the headlines, but he believes the programme is saving lives.
He says: “I think the vast majority of people get radicalised online because they are sitting in their room reading all this content without any context or scholarly input. They see one version of events and they get so far down the rabbit hole they can’t pull themselves out.
“I really wish Prevent was around when I was a young, lost 15-year-old because there was nothing around then. It’s about listening to people engaging with them and offering them a way of getting out of that extremism.”

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‘Radicalisation can happen in days to weeks’
Det Supt Corrigan says: “I’ve sat with parents whose children have gone on to commit the most horrendous crimes and they all spotted something.
“Now, with hindsight, they wished they had done something or acted early. That’s why we created this programme, because radicalisation can happen in days to weeks.”
Twenty years on from 7/7 the shape of the terrorist threat has shifted, the thoughts behind it harder to categorise, but it is no less dangerous.
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