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The Tesla Full Self-Driving crowdsourced dataset that Elon Musk has approved has doubled since the CEO shared it last month.

What does it say about the state of Tesla’s Full Self-Driving program now?

We have been complaining for years about Tesla’s lack of data on its Full Self-Driving program. In September 2024, Tesla started releasing monthly AI/self-driving roadmap updates and referenced improvements in some metrics that it wouldn’t even share.

Unsurprisingly, Tesla quickly stopped releasing the monthly updates after missing several milestones.

Because Tesla has not provided data, we have to rely on a less-than-ideal but better-than-nothing crowdsourced dataset.

Tesla fans often criticized the dataset because it doesn’t make the Full Self-Driving system look great, but it’s harder to do now that Tesla CEO Elon Musk has positively referenced the dataset on two occasions.

The last time Musk referenced the data, he misrepresented it as confirming “exponential improvement” by singling out highway mileage.

This was data back when Musk referenced it last month:

Musk particularly praised the highway mileage of 723 miles between disengagement, which was a big jump over Tesla FSD v12, but we noted that this was misleading because v13 finally merged city and highway software stacks to include end-to-end neural nets.

This had been delayed for highway driving for years. Therefore, Musk was trying to make this update look like an “exponential improvement” when, in fact, it was simply Tesla finally using years of development in city driving and transferring it to highway driving, which was supposed to have happened a long time ago.

However, Musk’s approval of crowdsource data confirms that it is in the ballpark of what Tesla sees with FSD. Otherwise, it would be incredibly misleading for him to share it positively, even if he has misrepresented it to make it look positive.

When Musk shared the data, there were only 8,000 miles on the new FSD v13 update. Now, the crowdsource dataset has almost twice as many miles on Tesla FSD v13.

With more miles, the performance actually went down. Miles between disengagement on highway went from 723 to 624 miles.

Tesla’s primary metric has been “miles between necessary disengagement,” which is currently 489 miles.

The automaker previously claimed that v13 would bring “5 to 6x improved miles between necessary interventions” compared to v12.5.

The average of all v12.5 updates is at 183 miles. Therefore, it’s actually closer to a 2.7x improvement.

Where does Tesla need to go from there?

Ashok Elluswamy, the head of FSD at Tesla, has previously stated that for Tesla to enable unsupervised self-driving, Tesla needs to achieve the average in miles per critical intervention “equivalent of human miles between collision,” which stands at 700,000 miles, according to NHTSA.

Electrek’s Take

Yes, a 15,000-mile dataset is quite limited, but you FSD fans can’t complain since Elon bragged about it with just 8,000 miles.

500 miles sounds about right to me. It means that Tesla would need a 1,400x improvement to achieve the level of safety it said it needs to achieve unsupervised self-driving.

Anyone who thinks this is happening this year is kidding themselves.

However, I believe that Tesla is working around that. Elon said that Tesla is launching “unsupervised self-driving as a paid service in Austin in June,” and he confirmed that it will be done with “Tesla’s internal fleet.”

This means a Waymo-style geo-fenced autonomous ride-hailing system assisted by teleoperation – aka what Elon trashed for years and said that Tesla would easily surpassed with its approach.

You can deploy such a system with much lower miles between disengagement. Something like 10,000-20,000 miles is achievable, but the lower the mileage between disengagement, the messier it will be.

In a limited geo-fenced environment, Tesla could possibly achieve that by June in Austin.

The thing that Tesla fans need to understand is that this will only mean that Tesla will be where Waymo was years ago. It won’t get them closer to what Elon has been promising for years: unsupervised self-driving for the entire customer fleet built since 2016.

Tesla would need to scale like Waymo is, which Elon has been claiming is not scalable.

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E-quipment highlight: Kenworth T880E vocational electric semi truck

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With the launch of the first-ever Class 8 vocational EV in the North American market, PACCAR Kenworth is raising the battery-electric bar and underscoring just how far the market has come since the Tesla Semi made its debut nearly a decade ago.

When Tesla pulled the wraps off its all electric Semi truck all the way back in November of 2017, the rest of the industry was hardly thinking about BEVs. Nearly a decade later, the world is still waiting for the Semi to begin regular production, and PACCAR is launching its second generation of HDEVs with the debut of this, the all-new Kenworth T880E vocational truck.

“The Kenworth T880E marks a groundbreaking milestone in Kenworth’s history as we bring to market the first Class 8 battery-electric solution built for vocational applications,” explains Kevin Haygood, Kenworth assistant general manager for sales and marketing. “The T880E is engineered to meet the evolving needs of operators and vocational fleets while still providing the durability, reliability and customization our customers expect.”

The new electric K-whopper is motivated by PACCAR’s in-house ePowertrain platform, capable of putting up to 605 hp and 1,850 lb-ft of peak torque to work, while delivering the same levels of drivability and dependability fleets expect from a Kenworth – but power and torque are only part of the T880E’s work-ready résumé.

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Kenworth T880E; via PACCAR.

In addition to a stout, Class 8 electric chassis fitted with heavy-duty Kenworth brakes and axles, the T880E’s central drive eMotor allows for significant wheelbase flexibility so fleet buyers can spec out exactly the machine they need to get the job done. The T880E was also designed to enable lift axle installations from trusted Kenworth upfitters for a vocational-friendly BEV integration.

Additionally, the T880E features a wide selection of factory-installed options that include both high- and low-voltage ePTO (electric Power Take Off) ports, mechanical ePTOs, and the same wide array of body configurations as the ICE version.

Speaking of the ICE version, the electric T880E also can also be had in the same set-back front axle and set-forward front axle configurations with the same multi-piece hood construction. Inside the cab, the latest in driver-focused technology includes the Kenworth SmartWheel and a new 15″ DriverConnect digital touchscreen. Dash and vocational features like RAM Mounts and factory-installed PTO switches are available. The T880E is also offered with Kenworth ADAS packages for customers interested in DigitalVision Mirrors, Bendix Fusion, and Lane Keeping Assist.

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Kenworth T880E; photo by the author.

The T880E was on static display at last week’s ACT Expo in Anaheim, California. Check with your local Kenworth dealer for availability.

SOURCE | IMAGES: Kenworth.


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The tire-blistering SU7 Ultra has been the Xiaomi brand’s flagship super sedan since its launch, but a controversial software setting has limited the car to “just” 900 hp in regular driving – resulting in an outcry from owners who ponied up for the big boy numbers. With its latest software update, that missing 648 hp is back on tap!

The SU7 Ultra made waves throughout the performance car world when a bright yellow striped example lined up alongside a white quarter mile king, the 1,000+ hp Tesla Model S Plaid, and promptly smoked it.

That wasn’t all. A preproduction SU7 Ultra prototype lapped the legendary Nürburgring circuit in just 6 minutes and 46.874 seconds, firmly stamping the 1,500+ hp Xiaomi’s alphanumeric into the track’s record books with a time nearly fifteen seconds quicker than a Rimac Nevera or, on the ICE front, either a Corvette ZR1, Viper ACR, or Porsche 918 (take your pick).

It’s hardly any wonder, then, that the customers who signed up – in droves, too – were disappointed to learn that the SU7 they were allowed to buy had been neutered by the safety nannies to the tune of nearly 650 hp. (!)

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The outrage from SU7 Ultra owners was immediate. And, facing mounting pressure online and on social media, Xiaomi ultimately decided to withdraw the performance-limiting features while acknowledging the need for more transparent communication about future software updates they messed up, saying in a statement, “we appreciate the passionate feedback from our community and will ensure better transparency moving forward.”

So, rich people can rocket themselves down the road in 9 second hypercars again and all is right with the world. A happy ending – but one that sort of illuminates a fresh set challenges for automakers peddling “software-defined vehicles” to a market that still thinks of their cars as very much hardware defined products.

That’s evidenced by the resistance to pay for features by subscription and complaints by more informed customers that “software locked” range and convenience features just subsidize the cost of more expensive trim levels and pad profits for manufacturers and suppliers.

The new reality is playing out in real time now, and the Jeff Bezos-backed $20,000 electric compact pickup from Slate Auto is going the other way entirely – time will tell whether more, or less tech is the answer.

SOURCE | IMAGES: Xiaomi, via CarNewsChina.


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Tesla (TSLA) discounts new Model Y in the US, pointing to demand issues

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Tesla (TSLA) has started offering reduced interest rates on the new Model Y in the US — this equates to a direct discount on the brand new vehicle that was supposed to spark Tesla’s demand back.

The automaker has announced “1.99% APR or $0 Due at Signing available for well-qualified buyers” on the new Model Y in the US for the first time:

This amounts to a direct discount worth a few thousand dollars. It is the first widely available discount on the new Model Y coming just weeks after the cheaper non-Launch Edition launched in the US.

It follows a $2,000 direct discount that Tesla offered to early Model Y owners last week.

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These discounts and subsidized financing point to soft demand for the updated best-selling vehicle in the US. Tesla just delivered a disastrous first quarter, which it mostly blamed on the Model Y changeover, resulting in lower inventory.

However, industry watchers, including Electrek, noted many signs that the Model Y changeover was not the only issue. Tesla added significantly to its inventory in the first quarter, and the wait times for the new Model Y were extremely short.

Now, the discount weeks after launching the new Model Y confirm the soft demand in the US.

It’s not as bad as Europe and China, where Tesla has already been offering 0% financing on the new Model Y for weeks.

Electrek’s Take

I think it’s clear by now: the new Model Y is not coming to save Tesla.

Let’s be honest: It will still be a significant vehicle program by volume. It just won’t help Tesla return to growth this year.

The RWD Model Y is still coming and has a chance to help in the US. It is already available in China, and it’s not helping Tesla much there, but that’s in a hyper-competitive market, especially at lower prices where the RWD Model Y operates.

Tesla’s performance in Q2 in China will be interesting since it is basically back to its regular lineup for the whole quarter.

The US appears to have been Tesla’s least affected market, but Q3 will be the real test with the full lineup and no backlog of demand for new Model Y.

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