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A video came out last week comparing two approaches to autonomous vehicles: cameras and LiDAR. The video was fun, as YouTube videos are wont to be, but the fallout from it has been anything but fun, with pretty much everyone missing the point of the video in the first place.

The video was posted by YouTuber Mark Rober, who typically does science & engineering related stunts. It was essentially a comparison test between Tesla’s camera-only autopilot/FSD system and LiDAR systems, with the LiDAR vehicle running Luminar’s system.

The experiment tested whether the cars could react to seeing a child in the road in six circumstances: standing, running into the road by surprise, fog, rain, bright lights, and standing behind a comical Wile E. Coyote style wall with a picture of a road painted on it.

Clearly, one of these things is not like the others. Five of the tests gave us potentially meaningful results about the world around us, and the sixth was just for fun.

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The test results showed the LiDAR doing better overall, primarily due to its better performance in fog and rain. But each vehicle produced impressive results on some of the tests – like the child jumping out in front of the car and the bright lights tests, both of which seemed quite difficult (the latter especially for a vision system).

But even in the rain and fog tests, these were quite biblical levels of rain and fog. For more realistic light fog or lighter rain, the cameras likely would have fared better.

There are a few other downsides of vision-only, such as that it can have trouble looking into lights (though it did well in the bright light test), and Tesla has in the past had a hard time with crossing trucks or overpasses being hard to distinguish from billboards, both of which can be solved with the ranging functions of LiDAR or radar.

So all told, these results track with the technical limitations of cameras when compared to LiDAR. Since cameras are passive and LiDAR is active (sending out laser pulses to reflect off of objects), LiDAR is able to “see through” certain things that cameras can’t.

And this is a debate which EV fans have heard plenty about – it’s the fundamental difference between Tesla’s approach and the approach of just about everyone else. Tesla is going vision-only, but most other companies are using a hybrid approach with some mix of vision, LiDAR, radar, ultrasonics, etc.

Tesla actually did used to have sensors other than vision, as early Tesla cars had radar in addition to cameras. But CEO Elon Musk directed the company to remove radar (over the objection of engineers) because he figures if humans can drive with two eyes and no lasers, cameras should be able to do the same. (He isn’t alone, though – Andrej Karpathy, Tesla’s former head of AI and a well respected person in the field, agrees that vision-only is the right approach).

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So the tests showed us that LiDAR has some capability that vision doesn’t, but we already knew that. What are the benefits of vision-only?

First, there are clear advantages on cost and complexity, because you need less sensing equipment. LiDAR has been expensive, though costs are dropping rapidly, so this may be less of a factor going forward.

Also, LiDAR sensors used to be huge spinning rigs attached to vehicles, but now they often take the form of a “taxi bump” that looks a bit like a taxi light on the top of the car, just above the windshield – but this still does restrict the design of a vehicle and a lot of people don’t like the look.

Second, vision-only could potentially make for a simpler software solution because you don’t have to reconcile the input from multiple sensing methods to figure out the reality in front of you.

This is something that held Tesla back in the early days of vision + radar, because there were a lot of false positives and negatives from weird situations (e.g. curved metal objects like soda cans could look bigger than they should, stationary vehicles were hard to distinguish, etc.). While the data was more robust because there were multiple sensing methods, it was proving itself harder to interpret.

And, while it’s not an inherent benefit of vision-only, the specific benefit for Tesla is that the company has a LOT of vision data it can use for training. This is a big advantage that it has over every other company by several orders of magnitude, since millions of Teslas have been driving around collecting data for years now, whereas companies like Waymo only have a few hundred cars.

So, we know a bit about the differences in technology, their strengths and weaknesses, and the long-time industry debate that motivated this test. Nothing seems all that unreasonable about what we’ve heard so far, and the test turned out about as expected. There’s still an open question over what the best path forward is, though the general consensus is that more sensing data is better than less, and that Tesla is making a risky move with its vision-only system.

So, why so much drama?

Okay, well, it’s the internet. So that’s reason number one. Everyone else here is chasing the same thing Rober chases: views. And so that’s probably the only thing we need to say, alright, article over, moving on.

…. But no, really. The actual drama is over the differentiation between “Autopilot” and “Full Self-Driving,” and over the behavior of Teslas when activating or deactivating the system, specifically on the headline “Wile E. Coyote” test.

Most discussion has focused on this particular test, because, well, it’s the most fun one. Rober is one of the most popular YouTubers on the planet, after all, so he should know a thing or two about how to make a compelling video (and the intro sentence of the video is quite a doozy):

As Rober said in the very first line of the video, he had his Tesla on Autopilot, not Full Self-Driving, during this test.

Some criticism has focused on the title of the video, which is “Can You Fool A Self Driving Car?”, suggesting that the test would use Tesla’s “Self-Driving” system.

These are two separate systems, and FSD is more sophisticated than Autopilot. However, Autopilot has long colloquially been referred to as self-driving (often to the chagrin of Tesla defenders), and while Tesla does refer to FSD as “self-driving,” it very much isn’t. Both of the systems are classed as “level 2,” which means the driver is still responsible for the vehicle at all times, even though FSD can be activated in more situations than Autopilot. And many more Teslas have Autopilot than FSD, so it makes sense to test the more common one.

Luminar’s LiDAR can be “self-driving,” insofar as there are level 3+ systems that use Luminar’s sensing technology (such as Mercedes’ DRIVE PILOT).

So the title is not technically incorrect, does use similar colloquialisms in both cases, and is, after all, a youtube video, and we’re all hopefully aware of how YouTube titles need to be crafted to fit Google’s algorithm and hopefully can get beyond the title and into the literal first frame of the video for the more accurate description of what’s happening here.

And we’ve covered a final criticism before, which is a screenshot showing that Rober didn’t have the system active in the video. This is previously-documented as “normal” Autopilot behavior, where the system turns itself off about a second before a definite crash. The screenshots were taken during this second. Rober also responded mentioning that the video used different takes to keep it compelling, and posted the full uncut footage on Twitter.

Another criticism focuses on the subsequent stock surge seen by Luminar (LAZR). The company’s stock went up from 5.05 to 8.35 over the course of the week after the video, a rise of 65%. This has raised some eyebrows, but I expect that the main explanation here is that prior to the video, only pretty dedicated EV/self-driving folks knew about Luminar, and now it’s been exposed to people associated with the most traded stock on the planet for several years running, TSLA. This is naturally going to drive a ton of volume to a small stock (with ~0.03% of TSLA’s market cap).

We’ve also seen others trying to recreate the video, with more success for the Tesla.

But these criticisms focus mainly on the Wile E. Coyote test, which everyone acknowledges is not a realistic situation. That test was for the youtube video – the real meat of it was the other 5 tests that actually could happen in the real world.

And even on those 5 tests, people are getting overexcited about the differences shown. The fog and water were both significantly heavier than what would most often be experienced in real life. In more “real world” weather circumstances, a camera may have worked plenty well enough (assuming the cameras aren’t obscured by water or condensation – which is certainly an issue). And if the inclement weather is as bad as shown in the video – maybe it’s time to stay home (or, uh, head straight to the hurricane evacuation center).

All in all, it felt like a fun test for a YouTube video, which described technology in a simple way to a crowd that hadn’t heard about it, was generally accurate about the strengths and weaknesses of the compared systems, but just overstated a lot of things “for content.”

There’s a discussion to be had there about content requiring more and more extreme stunts these days to be compelling, but the level of the reaction has gone well overboard. But then, that’s to be expected for anything on the internet, especially about Tesla.

And the discussion over which approach is correct will continue – companies like Luminar think that LiDAR is superior, and Tesla thinks cameras are enough. Time will tell who’s right, but most professionals in the field tend to place their bets on the former, rather than the latter.


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President Donald Trump‘s attack on solar and wind projects threatens to raise energy prices for consumers and undermine a stretched electric grid that’s already straining to meet rapidly growing demand, renewable energy executives warn.

Trump has long said wind power turbines are unattractive and endanger birds, and that solar installations take up too much land. This week, he said his administration will not approve solar and wind projects, the latest salvo in a campaign the president has waged against the renewable energy industry since taking office.

“We will not approve wind or farmer destroying Solar,” Trump posted on Truth Social Wednesday. “The days of stupidity are over in the USA!!!”

Trump’s statement this week seemed to confirm industry fears that the Interior Department will block federal permits for solar and wind projects. Interior Secretary Doug Burgum took control of all permit approvals last month in a move that the American Clean Power Association criticized as “obstruction,” calling it “unprecedented political review.”

The Interior Department blocking permits would slow the growth of the entire solar and wind industry, top executives at renewable developers Arevon, Avantus and Engie North America told CNBC.

Even solar and wind projects on private land may need approvals from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service if, for example, a waterway or animal species is affected, the executives told CNBC. The three power companies are among the top 10 renewable developers in the U.S., according to energy research firm Enverus.

The Interior Department “will not give preferential treatment to massive, unreliable projects that make no sense for the American people or that risk harming communities or the environment,” a spokesperson told CNBC when asked if new permits would be issued for solar and wind construction.

Choking off renewables will worsen a looming power supply shortage, harm the electric grid and lead to higher electricity prices for consumers, said Kevin Smith, CEO of Arevon, a solar and battery storage developer headquartered in Scottsdale, Arizona, that’s active in 17 states. Arevon operates five gigawatts of power equivalent to $10 billion of capital investment.

“I don’t think everybody realizes how big the crunch is going to be,” Smith said. “We’re making that crunch more and more difficult with these policy changes.”

Uncertainty hits investment

The red tape at the Interior Department and rising costs from Trump’s copper and steel tariffs have created market instability that makes planning difficult, the renewable executives said.

“We don’t want to sign contracts until we know what the playing field is,” said Cliff Graham, CEO of Avantus, a solar and battery storage developer headquartered in San Diego. Avantus has built three gigawatts of solar and storage across the desert Southwest.

“I can do whatever you want me to do and have a viable business, I just need the rules set and in place,” Graham said.

Engie North America, the U.S. arm of a global energy company based in Paris, is slashing its planned investment in the U.S. by 50% due to tariffs and regulatory uncertainty, said David Carroll, the chief renewables officer who leads the American subsidiary. Engie could cut its plans even more, he said.

Engie’s North American subsidiary, headquartered in Houston, will operate about 11 gigawatts of solar, battery storage and wind power by year end.

Multinationals like Engie have long viewed the U.S. as one of the most stable business environments in the world, Carroll said. But that assessment is changing in Engie’s boardroom and across the industry, he said.

“The stability of the U.S. business market is no longer really the gold standard,” Carroll said.

Rising costs

Arevon is seeing costs for solar and battery storage projects increase by as much as 30% due to the metal tariffs, said Smith, the CEO. Many renewable developers are renegotiating power prices with utilities to cover the sudden spike in costs because projects no longer pencil out financially, he said.

Trump’s One Big Beautiful Bill Act ends two key tax credits for solar and wind projects in late 2027, making conditions even more challenging. The investment tax credit supported new renewable construction and the production credit boosted clean electricity generation.

Those tax credits were just passed on to consumers, Smith said. Their termination and the rising costs from tariffs will mean higher utility bills for families and businesses, he said.

The price that Avantus charges for solar power has roughly doubled to $60 per megawatt-hour as interest rates and tariffs have increased over the years, said CEO Graham. Prices will surge again to around $100 per megawatt-hour when the tax credits are gone, he said.

“The small manufacturers, small companies and mom and pops will see their electric bills go up, and it’ll start pushing the small entrepreneurs out of the industry or out of the marketplace,” Graham said.

Renewable projects that start construction by next July, a year after the One Big Beautiful Act became law, will still qualify for the tax credits. Arevon, Avantus and Engie are moving forward with projects currently under construction, but the outlook is less certain for projects later in the decade.

The U.S. will see a big downturn in new renewable power generation starting in the second half of 2026 through 2028 as new projects no longer qualify for tax credits, said Smith, the head of Arevon.

“The small- and medium-sized players that can’t take the financial risk, some of them will disappear,” Smith said. “You’re going to see less projects built in the sector.”

Artificial intelligence power crunch

Fewer renewable power plants could increase the risk of brownouts or blackouts, Smith said. Electricity demand is surging from the data centers that technology companies are building to train artificial intelligence systems. PJM Interconnection, the largest electrical grid in the U.S. that coordinates wholesale electricity in 13 states and the District of Columbia, has warned of tight power supplies because too little new generation is coming online.

Renewables are the power source that can most quickly meet demand, Smith at Arevon said. More than 90% of the power waiting to connect to the grid is solar, battery storage or wind, according to data from Enverus.

“The power requirement is largely going to be coming from the new energy sector or not at all,” so without it, “the grid becomes substantially hampered,” Smith said.

Trump is prioritizing oil, gas and nuclear power as “the most effective and reliable tools to power our country,” White House spokesperson Anna Kelly said.

“President Trump serves the American people who voted to implement his America First energy agenda – not solar and wind executives who are sad that Biden’s Green New Scam subsidies are ending,” Kelly said.

But new natural gas plants won’t come online for another five years due to supply issues, new nuclear power is a decade away and no new coal plants are on the drawing board.

Utilities may have to turn away data centers at some point because there isn’t enough surplus power to run them, and no one wants to risk blackouts at hospitals, schools and homes, Arevon’s Smith said. This would pressure the U.S. in its race against China to master AI, a Trump administration priority.

“The panic in the data center, AI world is probably not going to set in for another 12 months or so, when they start realizing that they can’t get the power they need in some of these areas where they’re planning to build data centers,” Smith said.

“Then we’ll see what happens,” said the University of Chicago MBA, who’s worked in the energy industry for 35 years. “There may be a reversal in policy to try and build whatever we can and get power onto the grid.”

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Over the weekend, Tesla began offering many Cybertruck trade-in estimated values above the original purchase price, apparently due to a glitch in its system.

Tesla offers online trade-in estimates for individuals considering purchasing a vehicle from them.

Over the last few days, Cybertruck owners who submitted their vehicles through the system were surprised to see Tesla offering extremely high valuations on the vehicle, often above what they originally paid for the electric truck.

Here are a few examples:

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  • $79,200 for a 2025 Cybertruck AWD with 18,000 miles. Since this is a 2025 model year, it was eligible for the tax credit and Tesla is offering the same price as new without incentive.
  • Here Tesla offered $118,800 for a 2024 Cybertruck ‘Cyberbeast’ tri-motor with 21,000 miles.
  • In this example, Tesla offers $11,000 more than the owner originally paid for a 2024 Cybertruck.

The trade-in estimates made no sense. Tesla has been known to offer more attractive estimates online and then come lower with the official final offer, but this is on a whole different level.

Some speculated that Tesla’s trade-in estimate system was malfunctioning, while others thought Tesla was indirectly recalling early Cybertrucks.

It appears to be the former.

Some Tesla Cybertruck owners who tried to go through a new order with their Cybertruck as a trade-in were told by Tesla advisors that the system was “glitching” and they would not be honoring those prices.

Tesla told buyers that it would be refunding its usually “non-refundable” order fee.

Electrek’s Take

That’s a weird glitch. I assume that it was trying to change how the trade-in value would be estimated and the new math didn’t work for the Cybertruck for whatever reason.

It’s the only thing that makes sense to me.

The Cybertruck’s value is already quite weird due to the fact that Tesla still has new vehicles made in 2024, which are not eligible for the tax credit incentive, while the new ones made in 2025 are eligible.

There’s also the Foundation Series, which bundles many features for a $20,000 higher price.

All these things affect the value and can make it hard to compare with new Cybertrucks offered with 0% interest.

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At $28,000 off, is the Jeep Wagoneer S the best EV deal going? [update]

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At $28,000 off, is the Jeep Wagoneer S the best EV deal going? [update]

Like a 90s “gifted” kid that was supposed to be a lot of things, the electric Jeep Wagoneer S never really found its place — but when dealers started discounting the Jeep brands forward-looking flagship by nearly $25,000 back in June, I wrote that it might be time to give the go-fast Wagoneer S a second look.

This month, the discounts are even better.

UPDATE 23AUG25: I found you some even better EV deals!


Whether we’re talking about Mercedes-Benz, Cerberus, Fiat, or even Enzo Ferrari, outsiders have labeled Jeep as a potentially premium brand that could, “if managed properly,” command luxury-level prices all over the globe. That hasn’t happened, and Stellantis is just the latest in a long line of companies to sink massive capital into the brand only to realize that people will not, in fact, spend Mercedes money on a Jeep.

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That said, the Jeep Wagoneer S is not a bad car (and neither is its totally different, hideously massive, ICE-powered Wagoneer sibling, frankly). Built on the same Stellantis STLA Large vehicle platform that underpins the sporty Charger Daytona EVs, the confusingly-named Wagoneer S packs dual electric motors putting out almost 600 hp. That’s good enough to scoot the ‘ute 0 to 60 mph in a stomach-turning 3.5 seconds and enough, on paper, to convince Stellantis executives that they had developed a real, market-ready alternative to the Tesla Model Y.

With the wrong name and a sky-high starting price of $66,995 (not including the $1,795 destination fee), however, that demand didn’t materialize, leaving the Wagoneer S languishing on dealer lots across the country.

That could be about to change, however, thanks to big discounts on Wagoneer S being reported at CDJR dealers in several states:

  • Jeff Belzer’s in Minnesota has a 2025 Wagoneer S Limited with a $67,790 MSRP for $39,758 ($28,032 off)
  • Troncalli CDJR in Georgia has a 2025 Wagoneer S Limited with a $67,590 MSRP for $42,697 ($24,893 off)
  • Whitewater CDJR in Minnesota has a 2025 Wagoneer S Limited with a $67,790 MSRP for $43,846 ($23,944 off)
  • Antioch CDJR in Illinois has a 2025 Wagoneer S Limited with a $67,790 MSRP for $44,540 ($23,250 off)

“Stellantis bet big on electric versions of iconic American brands like Jeep and Dodge, but consumers aren’t buying the premise,” writes CDG’s Marcus Amick. “(Stellantis’ dealer body) is now stuck with expensive EVs that need huge discounts to move, eating into already thin margins while competitors focus on [more] profitable gas-powered vehicles.”

All of which is to say: if you’ve found yourself drawn to the Jeep Wagoneer S, but couldn’t quite stomach the $70,000+ window stickers, you might want to check in with your local Jeep dealer and see how you feel about it at a JCPenneys-like 30% off!


Original content from Electrek; images via Stellantis.


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