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While Tesla shareholders are focused on giving Elon Musk a huge CEO compensation package, there’s a potentially even more impactful proposal that is sneaking through: Tesla investing in Musk’s xAI.

Here are the pros and cons of this controversial proposal.

Tesla Shareholder Proposal to invest in xAI

For those unaware, xAI is Elon Musk’s private AI startup behind the large language model (LLM) and generative AI Grok.

The company now also includes X, formerly Twitter, after Musk orchestrated a merger between the two companies earlier this year.

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xAI’s origin is fascinating and comes from Musk’s long-standing obsession with controlling AI.

I published a detailed timeline of Musk’s attempt to gain control of AI in a report based on emails and text messages released through lawsuits between Musk and OpenAI earlier this year:

In short, Musk tried to gain complete control of OpenAI, but he failed. He moved his AI effort to Tesla, but he then lost control after selling too many shares to acquire Twitter. So he moved his AI effort to a new private company xAI.

Tesla shareholders are now suing the billionaire for breach of fiduciary duty for starting xAI, which competes for talent with Tesla.

Many experts believe shareholders have a strong case, as Musk cited a “conflict of interest” with Tesla’s own AI effort when leaving OpenAI. The CEO even threatened Tesla shareholders not to build AI products at the company if he didn’t gain more control through a higher percentage of Tesla’s shares.

Shareholders are requesting that Musk transfer his ownership of xAI to Tesla.

However, the case will take a long time to go through the court system. Meanwhile, other Tesla shareholders are suggesting that Tesla use its own money to invest in xAI directly.

They submitted a proposal that is up to a vote at Tesla’s upcoming shareholders meeting on November 6th:

RESOLVED, that shareholders of Tesla, Inc. (the “Company”) request that the Board of Directors authorize an investment in xAI, in an amount and form deemed appropriate by the Board.

WHEREAS, an investment in xAI would provide Tesla with a stake in a major AI player, potentially yielding significant financial returns while fostering technological advancements that benefit Tesla’s customers and shareholders.

As you can see, the proposal leaves it to the board to decide the full amount to invest into Musk’s private company.

Interestingly, this is the only shareholder proposal on which the board hasn’t taken a position. It is asking shareholders to vote against all other proposals, even one that is pushing for an audit to avoid contributing to child labor.

The lack of a vote recommendation from the board, which is seen as being under Musk’s control, is widely interpreted as a recommendation to vote for it. However, Musk and the board must abstain due to the ongoing lawsuit regarding xAI.

Does it make sense for Tesla to invest in xAI?

The Good

Obviously, it’s an investment and you want to get a return on it. The main “good thing” to come out of this is if xAI somehow manages to beat all the other extremely well-funded and well-staffed competition into creating a real general AI.

Considering xAI is significantly behind the competition in most revenue-generating AI-backed products and it is reportedly valued at more than $200 billion, Tesla is arriving late to the company, and realistically, it would only achieve a significant return on investment through AGI.

The only other potential benefit would be technology sharing, but an investment doesn’t actually help that much there.

Most other automakers have already partnered with AI companies to integrate LLMs in their vehicles. Tesla has already done so with Grok before investing in xAI.

In short, any technology partnership can be done without an investment in the company, as they have already shown.

If anything, it would create another circular economy, which is all the rage in the AI world these days.

The Bad

It’s obviously a risky investment, and Tesla would be entering at an already substantial valuation of approximately $200 billion – or even more, depending on when the round closes.

In comparison, OpenAI is reportedly valued at $500 billion, and it is estimated to have 700-800 million weekly users.

Meanwhile, xAI’s is estimated to have ~30 million weekly users.

As stated in the “good”, xAI has little chance of catching up to the competition in terms of revenue-generating AI services unless it can bypass them all through AGI, which is a massive gamble.

Due to its heavy investment in computing power, xAI is believed to have a burn rate of roughly $10 billion per year.

AI companies are also amortizing their compute at different rates, and many analysts worry that some are overestimating the lifespan of those chips.

Most of the $14 billion xAI raised in its first 2 years was reportedly gone by early 2025, and the company is now rumored to be closing a new round of financing between $10-20 billion. With the current burn rate, xAI is going to have to repeat this level of funding every year for the foreseeable future.

SpaceX is rumored to be investing about $2 billion in xAI’s current financing round.

With Tesla’s own profits shrinking over the last three years, it is not in a position to sustain such a high burn rate with $2 billion in investments every year.

At its current earnings rate, most of its early earnings would go into xAI with a similar investment as SpaceX.

The Ugly

The most remarkable aspect of this situation is that the Tesla shareholders suing Musk and the board over the funding of xAI have a compelling case.

There’s a real chance that Tesla could end up owning xAI without even having to invest in it, as the chief executives of public companies are not allowed to create competing private companies and funnel resources between them, which is exactly what Musk did.

Prior to starting xAI, Musk himself said that Tesla was an “AI” company. Instead of doing the right thing and incorporating the xAI effort into Tesla, he decided to do it privately because he wasted a large percentage of his Tesla ownership on buying an inflated Twitter.

Speaking of Twitter, Tesla would literally be investing in an again-inflated Twitter.

Musk sold tens of billions of dollars worth of Tesla shares to buy Twitter at $44 billion valuation, which he himself admitted was inflated.

Private investors wrote off most of the valuation over the next 3 years. As of late 2024, it was reportedly worth only $9 billion, but then Musk, a master of self-dealing, had xAI buy it/merge with it, magically raising its valuation back to $44 billion.

This also contributes to inflating any investment in xAI.

Finally, and perhaps the most troubling aspect of this whole thing, Tesla, which has as its mission to accelerate the world’s transition to renewable energy, would be investing in a company that currently primarily produces AI slop that consumes a ton of energy for questionable uses, including an extremely controversial AI companion program.

In short, Elon Musk is double-dipping into Tesla to keep his obsession with controlling AI alive.

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E-quipment highlight: Komatsu PC365-11 hybrid excavator

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E-quipment highlight: Komatsu PC365-11 hybrid excavator

Thanks to a clever, fully electric swing system and “boom up” power assist features, the big PC365-11 hybrid excavator from Komatsu promises better performance and serious fuel savings compared to conventional diesel machines.

Komatsu says its PC365-11 hybrid excavator uses a “boom-up” power assist feature that captures and stores kinetic energy during different operation cycles, then taps into that power to provide an extra energy boost when needed. The result is 15% more productivity and a 20% improvement in fuel efficiency when compared to non-hybrid excavators in ~40 ton class.

“The PC365LC-11 was engineered for excellence in multifunction applications by leveraging its innovative electric powertrain system to boost job site productivity while reducing fuel consumption,” says Matthew Moen, Komatsu’s product manager. “To highlight these performance enhancements, we’re emphasizing the concept of ‘multifunction plus’ as the defining feature of this machine.”

How it works


Komatsu hybrid explainer; via Komatsu.

Komatsu’s hybrid system replaces the conventional hydraulic swing function with a fully electric swing motor that draws power from an ultracapacitor (as opposed to a battery) energy storage unit. As excavator slows or stops swinging, something like a regenerative braking system captures the kinetic energy that would normally be lost as heat and stores it in the capacitor. Once there, the stored energy can be quickly released to power the swing motor or assist the engine, delivering up to an extra 70 hp when needed to support heavy lifting or digging cycles.

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And, thanks to Komatsu’s proprietary software, all of this energy capture and reuse happens automagically during normal work, without the need for external charging. The fuel savings happen because removing the hydraulic load from the ICE engine allows it to run at an ultra-low idle, while the productivity comes from the greater power and overall speed of the electric operations vs. conventional hydraulics.

Electrek’s Take


Komatsu lunar excavator; image by the author.

Trust me when I tell you that Komatsu didn’t wake up one day and decide to build a capacitor-based hybrid crane. One of their customers had the idea and came to them, promising orders. That’s what Komatsu does – from undersea remote control dozers to lunar mining rigs (above), if you bring Komatsu an order, they will absolutely find a way to fill it.

As for PC365-11 hybrid excavator, it’s packed with clever tech, overall – offering significant fuel, emissions, and TCO reductions without dramatically changing the operational logistics of an existing fleet’s operations. That’s all the sales pitch it needs.

SOURCE: Komatsu, via Equipment World.


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Five for Five: Kia PV5 scores 5 star European safety rating

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Five for Five: Kia PV5 scores 5 star European safety rating

For serious fleet buyers, safety isn’t a “nice-to-have,” it’s an absolute must – and Kia’s new PV5 electric van meets that need with a positively stellar, five-star safety rating on the tough European NCAP safety test.

The new “do-it-all” Kia PV5 showed strong performance across a number of key safety categories, including Occupant Protection, Safety Assist/Crash Avoidance, and Post-Crash Safety. The PV5’s robust suite of standard ADAS technologies that includes AEB, Lane Support System, and Speed Assistance System also helped the new electric work van to deliver top marks in the NCAP’s “real world” test scenarios.

The PV5 opens a new chapter in practical, electrified mobility, offering generous space and modular versatility for everyday use,” explains Sangdae Kim, Executive Vice President and Head of the (relatively) new PBV Business Division at Kia. “Achieving the top Euro NCAP five-star rating is clear validation of its safety performance and will serve as strong momentum as Kia expands its PBV lineup across Europe.”

The Euro NCAP tests highlighted the strong performance of a number of the PV5’s ADAS features, specifically calling out the following:

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  • Demonstrated strong responsiveness in vehicle-to-vehicle scenarios
  • Provides additional protection for pedestrians behind the vehicle
  • Avoided collisions in most pedestrian and cyclist test cases

The Kia PV5 slots into familiar territory for US buyers, landing roughly in the same size class as the Ford Transit Connect or Ram ProMaster City, with ~180 cubic feet of interior cargo space available, which is plenty to make it attractive for last-mile delivery and trade work in tight urban markets.

Globally, the PV5 is offered with a number of battery options, including a smaller 43.3 kWh Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LFP) pack, as well as larger Nickel-Cobalt-Manganese (NCM) packs at 51.5 kWh and 71.2 kWh. The longest-range versions are good for about 250 miles of estimated range – more than enough for Kia to make a case for it as a practical, city-focused alternative to much larger (and pricier) electric vans.

Larger vans, by the way, that may not have that 5 star Euro NCAP rating.

Kia PV5


SOURCE | IMAGES: Kia; photo by Scooter Doll.


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Waymo pauses robotaxi service in San Francisco after blackout chaos — Musk says Tesla car service unaffected

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Waymo resumes robotaxi service in San Francisco after blackout chaos — Musk says Tesla car service unaffected

Alphabet-owned Waymo has suspended its driverless ride-hail service in the San Francisco Bay Area after blackouts plagued the city Saturday afternoon.

“We have temporarily suspended our ride-hailing services in the San Francisco Bay Area due to the widespread power outage,” a Waymo spokesperson tells CNBC. “Our teams are working diligently and in close coordination with city officials, and we are hopeful to bring our services back online soon. We appreciate your patience and will provide further updates as soon as they are available.”

Waymo notice of service outage in San Francisco.

Source: Waymo

As power outages spread yesterday, videos shared on social media appeared to show multiple Waymo vehicles stalled in traffic in different parts of the city.

San Francisco resident Matt Schoolfield said he saw at least three Waymo autonomous vehicles stopped in traffic Saturday around 9:45 p.m. local time, including one he photographed on Turk Boulevard near Parker Avenue.

“They were just stopping in the middle of the street,” Schoolfield said.

A Waymo vehicle stuck between Parker and Beaumont, on the north side of Turk Boulevard in San Francisco.

Credit: Matt Schoolfield

The power outages began around 1:09 p.m. Saturday and peaked roughly two hours later, affecting about 130,000 customers, according to Pacific Gas and Electric. As of Sunday morning, about 21,000 customers remained without power, mainly in the Presidio, the Richmond District, Golden Gate Park and parts of downtown San Francisco.

PG&E said the outage was caused by a fire at a substation that resulted in “significant and extensive” damage, and said it could not yet provide a precise timeline for full restoration.

San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie said in a 9 p.m. update on X that police officers, fire crews, parking control officers and city ambassadors were deployed across affected neighborhoods as transit service gradually resumed. “Waymo has also paused service,” Lurie said.

Amid the disruption, Tesla CEO Elon Musk posted on X: “Tesla Robotaxis were unaffected by the SF power outage.”

Unlike Waymo, Tesla does not operate a driverless robotaxi service in San Francisco.

Tesla’s local ride-hailing service uses vehicles equipped with “FSD (Supervised),” a premium driver assistance system. The service requires a human driver behind the wheel at all times.

According to state regulators — including the California Department of Motor Vehicles and California Public Utilities Commission — Tesla has not obtained permits to conduct driverless testing or services in the state without human safety supervisors behind the wheel, ready to steer or brake at any time.

Tesla is vying to become a robotaxi titan, but does not yet operate commercial, driverless services. Tesla’s Robotaxi app allows users to hail a ride; however, its vehicles currently have human safety supervisors or drivers on board, even in states where the company has obtained permits for driverless operations.

Waymo, which leads the nascent industry in the West, is Tesla’s chief competitor in AVs, along with Chinese players like Baidu-owned Apollo Go.

The outage-related disruptions in San Francisco come as robotaxi services are becoming more common in other major U.S. cities. Waymo is among a small number of companies operating fully driverless ride-hailing services for the public, even as unease about autonomous vehicles remains high.

A survey by the American Automobile Association earlier this year found that about two-thirds of U.S. drivers said they were fearful of autonomous vehicles.

The Waymo pause in San Francisco indicates cities are not yet ready for highly automated vehicles to inundate their streets, said Bryan Reimer, a research scientist at the MIT Center for Transportation and co-author of “How to Make AI Useful.”

“Something in the design and development of this technology was missed that clearly illustrates it was not the robust solution many would like to believe it is,” he said.

Reimer noted that power outages are entirely predictable. “Not for eternity, but in the foreseeable future, we will need to mix human and machine intelligence, and have human backup systems in place around highly automated systems, including robotaxis,” he said.

State and city regulators will need to consider what the maximum penetration of highly automated vehicles should be in their region, Reimer added, and AV developers should be held responsible for “chaos gridlock,” just as human drivers would be held responsible for how they drive during a blackout.

Waymo did not say when its service would resume and did not specify whether collisions involving its vehicles had occurred during the blackout.

Tesla and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.

CNBC’s Riya Bhattacharjee contributed reporting.

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