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The mother of murdered teenager Brianna Ghey has said mobile phones should be made specifically for children under 16 to protect them from online harms.

In an interview with Sky News’ Sophy Ridge for the Politics Hub, Esther Ghey added that tech giants and mobile phone companies need to “take more responsibility for children’s welfare”.

She also believes the Online Safety Act, introduced by the government in October 2023, doesn’t go far enough and called for more “drastic measures” to protect children.

Ms Ghey’s daughter Brianna, 16, was stabbed 28 times by Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe, who were 15 at the time of the attack, after they lured her to Culcheth Linear Park in Warrington, Cheshire, on 11 February last year.

Brianna was described as an anxious and vulnerable teenager, with Ms Ghey believing this was partly because she spent a lot of time on her phone.

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Brianna Ghey was killed by two teenagers in February 2023. Pic: Cheshire Police

Ms Ghey also believes Brianna would still be alive if her teenage killers had been unable to access violent content on both the dark web and the regular internet as they plotted the murder.

Asked whether she believes there should be a ban on mobile phones in schools, Ms Ghey said it would be too difficult to enforce and there are “already so many pressures on teachers”.

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However, she added: “I would like to see mobile phone companies, tech companies take more responsibility for children’s welfare… I’d like to see mobile phones specifically made for under 16s where they can’t access social media sites in the first place.

“Also, I’d like there to be a link to the adult’s phone, to the parent’s phone.

“There is already software available because schools are using this kind of software that can flag up concerning words, so that if a child is searching what Brianna’s killers did, then it would flag up instantly to the parent’s phone and then they will be able to take action.”

Esther Ghey, the mother of murdered 16-year-old Brianna Ghey, attending a vigil in Golden Square, Warrington, to mark the first anniversary of her daughter's death. Picture date: Sunday February 11, 2024.
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Esther Ghey attended a vigil in Warrington last weekend to mark a year since her daughter’s death

Calling on the government to do more to protect children online, Ms Ghey said she is “willing to speak to the experts and to the regulator (Ofcom) and just see what we can do”.

“I think it’s important to have these discussions and to see what we can do moving forward,” she said.

Ms Ghey has also met with the father of Molly Russell, who died from self-harm after viewing content related to suicide online, and is “really hoping to work alongside him to try to push for a change”.

Molly’s father Ian has campaigned for better protections against potentially dangerous social media algorithms since his daughter’s death in 2017.

In a wide-ranging discussion with Sophy Ridge, Ms Ghey also repeated her wish to meet Jenkinson’s mother.

She said she would like to “see how it was for her”, adding: “And if she had the same struggles as what I had with Brianna. And just to see what life was like as a family, really.”

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Ms Ghey has reached out to Jenkinson’s mother but said she has not yet had a response, adding: “Hopefully we can meet in the future.

“If we do, it will be a very private and personal thing for both of us.”

Ms Ghey said she doesn’t blame the parents of Jenkinson and Ratcliffe for Brianna’s death, adding: “I know how hard it is to monitor what your child is doing and to safeguard them and to keep on track of everything that they’re taking in online.”

She also said she felt the judge’s sentencing was correct and believes her daughter’s killers will “never get out of prison”.

Ms Ghey added: “I think that Scarlett is very dangerous to society. And I think that her behaviour since being found guilty has also been very concerning. And I think that prison is definitely the best place for her.”

Brianna was transgender, with the Judge Mrs Justice Yip saying during sentencing that she took into account the “transphobic hostility” expressed by Ratcliffe before Brianna’s death.

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Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe have been jailed

Asked if she felt the fact her daughter was trans played a role in the killing, Ms Ghey said: “I think in Eddie’s case, it was a contributing factor. But I do think that Eddie is a hateful boy anyway, but, yeah, it definitely was (a contributing factor).”

Jenkinson was jailed for at least 22 years and Ratcliffe for a minimum of 20 years. They will be transferred to adult prisons when they turn 18.

Judge Mrs Justice Yip said both will remain in prison until they “no longer present a danger” to the public.

Ms Ghey said she would like Brianna’s “lasting legacy” to be improved mental health for young people and mindfulness taught across schools in England.

She added that practising mindfulness herself had helped her have the “mental resilience” to cope with her ordeal since her daughter’s death.

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‘Heroic’ rail worker who tried to stop train knife attacker still in life-threatening condition

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A “heroic” rail worker who tried to stop a knife attacker as he carried out a mass stabbing on a high-speed train remains in a life-threatening condition.

A 32-year-old man who was arrested after the 6.25pm Doncaster to London King’s Cross LNER service on Saturday was stopped at Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, is being treated as the only suspect, police said.

The man who is from Peterborough, where he boarded the train, is being held in custody on suspicion of attempted murder, while another man, 35, who was also arrested has been released with no further action.

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A knife was recovered at the scene after armed police were deployed to the train and made the arrests within eight minutes of the 999 call.

In total, 11 people were treated in hospital – nine were initially reported as having life-threatening injuries.

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One of the two men arrested at Huntingdon Station by police

Five casualties have now been discharged and one – a member of LNER rail staff who tried to stop the attacker – remains in a life-threatening condition, British Transport Police (BTP) said in a statement on Sunday evening.

BTP Deputy Chief Constable Stuart Cundy said: “This was a horrific attack that has had a wide impact.

“My thoughts and those of everyone in British Transport Police are with those injured and their families – especially the brave member of rail staff whose family are being supported by specialist officers.

“Having viewed the CCTV from the train, the actions of the member of rail staff were nothing short of heroic and undoubtedly saved people’s lives.”

The train driver hailed as “courageous” for his actions during the stabbings has been named as Andrew Johnson.

“The driver did everything he was trained to do, at the right time and in the right way,” said Nigel Roebuck, full-time organiser in the north-east of England for the train drivers’ union Aslef.

“He brought the train into a station where passengers could disembark safely and where police, fire and rescue, and ambulance crew could get on to the train and attend to the victims and, we believe, catch the culprit.

“He showed real courage, real dedication, and real determination in the most difficult of circumstances.”

Emergency responders at Huntingdon station in Cambridgeshire on Saturday night. Pic: PA
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Emergency responders at Huntingdon station in Cambridgeshire on Saturday night. Pic: PA

Police earlier said the two men arrested included a 32-year-old male, a black British national, and a 35-year-old man, a British national of Caribbean descent. Both were born in the UK.

In an update, they said the 35-year-old, who is from London, was not involved.

A witness told Sky News that police fired a Taser at a man with a large knife, after he went on a bloody rampage on the high-speed train.

In a statement, the King and Queen said they were “truly appalled and shocked to hear of the dreadful knife attack,” and offered their “deepest sympathy and thoughts” to those affected.

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Emergency crews spilled out onto the tracks. Pic: PA

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Police erected a cordon outside the station. Pic: PA

Police examine ‘motivations’ for attack

Counter-terrorism police were initially supporting the investigation.

But BTP Superintendent John Loveless said there was “nothing to suggest that this is a terrorist incident”, adding that the investigation would continue to examine the “motivations” which led to the attack.

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Investigators examine the scene outside Huntingdon station. Pic: PA

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BTP Dep Chief Con Cundy said: “Our investigation is moving at pace and we are confident we are not looking for anyone else in connection to the incident.

“As would be expected, specialist detectives are looking into the background of the suspect we have in custody and the events that led up to the attack.”

Witnesses told Sky News the stabbings started a few minutes after the train left Peterborough and passengers sounded the emergency alarm.

People described how some passengers were trampling over each other and hiding in the toilets to escape the attacker.

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Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer said it was an “appalling incident” and was “deeply concerning”.

“My thoughts are with all those affected, and my thanks go to the emergency services for their response,” he wrote on X.

Armed police, paramedics, air ambulances, and transport police arrived within minutes. Pic: PA
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Armed police, paramedics, air ambulances, and transport police arrived within minutes. Pic: PA

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Officers wearing forensic suits with a police dog outside the station. Pic: PA

‘Extraordinary bravery’

The main opposition leaders, Kemi Badenoch and Ed Davey, have also reacted.

The Tory leader initially said she was “deeply disturbed” by events. Later, she posted an update online suggesting “there’s clearly something going wrong in our society right now”.

The Lib Dem leader took a different approach in his statement, focusing on the “very best of Britain” and the “extraordinary bravery” of those at the scene.

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Route of the LNER train service from Doncaster to London King’s Cross

‘Shocked and frightened’ passengers

Defence Secretary John Healey spoke to Sky News on Sunday Morning with Trevor Phillips and said he took the same train route just hours before the attack.

“It’s the service I use every week to get home to Rotherham, so I can’t begin to imagine how shocked and frightened those passengers were.”

Asked by Phillips if the attack has changed the UK’s terror threat level, he said no and that it remains “substantial” – meaning an attack is considered “likely”.

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‘Like a horror film’

Mayor of Huntingdon, councillor Audrey McAdam, told Sky News she was “very emotional” after hearing about the stabbing and said it must have been like a “horror film” for the passengers.

“I’m still in shock… I’m very emotional, and as soon as I found out, I thought, ‘oh no’.

“I’m worried about the people actually in hospital at this moment… it’s something I never thought would ever happen around Huntingdon… it’s something so dreadful.

“But to live in that moment… it’s a horror film… complete horror. I just cannot imagine what the people must have [been] feeling… When you’re stuck on a train, what can you do? A moving train.”

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Huntingdon’s mayor told Sky News it must have been like a ‘horror film’ for passengers

An ‘incredible’ response from emergency services

Huntingdon MP Ben Obese-Jecty spoke to Sky News at the scene on Saturday night. He said: “When I first arrived here, I’ve simply never seen as big a response to an emergency incident as there was in terms of police, fire and ambulance.”

On Sunday morning, Mr Obese-Jecty spoke again about the “rapid, incredible response” and praised the “brave officers who came to try and neutralise that threat”.

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Extra police are reportedly going to be deployed across the rail network for at least the next few days.

Government sources have told the PA news agency that there will be a “surge” in the police presence, lasting until Tuesday at least.

Officers are likely to focus on major terminals such as London, Birmingham, York, Leeds and Manchester, as well as at Huntingdon.

National Rail said some train routes to and from London King’s Cross on LNER, Great Northern and Thameslink services faced disruption on Sunday.

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Police rehearsed a knife attack scenario on a train line in March – here’s what went differently this time

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Police rehearsed a knife attack scenario on a train line in March - here's what went differently this time

British Transport Police held an emergency exercise for press officers in March, which ironically involved a stabbing on a train travelling south near Huntingdon.

In the training drill, the train stopped immediately between stations when a passenger pulled the emergency cord.

It took police 25 minutes to reach the train and casualties, far longer than the eight minutes in which Cambridgeshire firearms officers reached the scene at Huntingdon station.

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Chris Webb, a crisis communications expert who helped run the exercise, said: “People think if you pull the emergency cord on a train it stops immediately, but that’s not what happens these days.

“As soon as the driver knows there is a problem, he or she radios the line operator HQ and they discuss where to stop.

“The decision last night was to keep going to Huntingdon station, where it was much easier for armed police to get on.”

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Forensic investigators at Huntingdon train station in Cambridgeshire

He added: “It must have been awful for passengers when the train kept going for another ten minutes or so.

“It’s always a balance. It might have prolonged the attack, but stopping in the middle of nowhere can mean the attack stops but it’s much more difficult for the emergency services to get there.”

Mr Webb, former head of news at Scotland Yard, said such exercises are held regularly by train operators.

A similar drill was carried out on the London Underground weeks before the 7/7 bombings in 2005.

“There are always lessons to learn but you cannot guard against everything.”

In the training exercise in March the suspect was a white man with mental health issues. He was shot dead by police.

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What happened in the Huntingdon attack?

Police triggered the Plato code to all emergency services in their initial response to the Huntingdon train stabbing, but that did not label it a terrorist attack.

Plato is called for a major incident where it’s thought a suspect is on the loose and has already, or is liable to, cause serious injury.

Plato does not denote a terror attack, though it is often used in terrorist incidents.

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A forensic investigator on the platform by the train at Huntingdon train station in Cambridgeshire

In a Plato response paramedics, fire fighters and other first responders are sent to a safe rendezvous point while armed police go in and deal with the suspect.

Plato depicts a situation where unarmed responders are vulnerable and are kept back until it is safe to approach casualties.

There are exceptions and it’s understood the East of England Ambulance Service has a special Hazardous Area Response Team (HART) which was allowed to accompany armed police onto the platform where the two suspects were arrested last night.

Once other first responders were allowed in, Plato was called off – an important part of the operation.

Plato was called during the initial response to the Manchester Arena bomb attack in 2017, but the fire service was not told it had been called off for two hours and that meant its officers did not go in to help with the rescue.

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‘I thought I was going to die’: Passenger tells of panic during knife attack on train

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'I thought I was going to die': Passenger tells of panic during knife attack on train

A student has told how she thought she “was going to die” during a mass stabbing on board a high-speed train.

Amira Ostalski was travelling to London for a Saturday night out with her friend Vanessa on board the “very busy” 6.25pm Doncaster to King’s Cross LNER service.

She told Sky News correspondent Dan Whitehead they were “listening to music, just having a good time”, when “panic and chaos” broke out in her carriage, Coach G, between Peterborough and Huntingdon.

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“I see five rows ahead of us a guy in a white t-shirt just jumps out of his seat,” she said. “People are screaming, ‘he’s got a knife’…. I’m guessing he stabbed the person right in front of me.”

Ms Ostalski said she came within 2m of the attacker but only caught a glimpse of him adding: “He was just a black bearded guy wearing all black and a hoody.

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Woman who saw attack on train at Huntingdon tells Sky News of her experience

“I didn’t see the knife he was holding. I’m guessing because it was already in the body or something.”

She said she “started running” and was “trying to calm everyone down” because there was a young boy, around six years old, who hid in the toilets with his mum.

“Everyone’s running. A guy next to me is holding his arm saying he’s been stabbed. He was running. I see people covered in blood,” she said.

“Everyone was shocked, everyone was terrified. People wanted to know what was going on, everyone’s pushing and shoving. Everyone’s getting trampled.”

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Woman who saw attack on train at Huntingdon tells Sky News of her experience

Ms Ostalski said she heard some people crying on the phone “in tears and in shock, thinking they’re going to be stabbed”.

“It was horrific, it was really horrific because we had no idea where he was and the conductor who tried to stop him, he got stabbed as well.

“We felt that we were not safe because we were trying to get the train to stop but it wasn’t stopping.”

Route of the 6.25pm London North Eastern Railway (LNER) service between Doncaster and London King's Cross
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Route of the 6.25pm London North Eastern Railway (LNER) service between Doncaster and London King’s Cross

Ms Ostalski said she ran into the buffet car where she picked up a metal tray to protect herself and her friend.

“I was honestly so petrified. I thought in that moment it was the last time I was ever going to be alive. I thought I was going to die,” she said.

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Ms Ostalski said she saw the attacker again when the train was stopped at Huntingdon station by the door, holding a bottle in his left hand.

“He just looked so calm and I think that was the most terrifying thing,” she said.

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Armed officers were seen running along the platform at Huntingdon station towards the train carriages after multiple people were stabbed on board.

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Moment of suspect’s arrest

Police declared a major incident and armed officers can be seen in video footage sprinting along the platform.

Ms Ostalski said she thought she and the other passengers were safe when the train was evacuated.

But when she reached the car park, she turned around and saw the attacker jump the fence and start coming towards them.

“I have to admit, the police came really quickly and managed to detain him,” she said.

“I saw them running then took the knife and he got tasered and fell right on the spot.”

Two men born in Britain have been arrested over the attack, which police do not believe was motivated by terrorism, but Ms Ostalski said she only saw one of them.

A total of 11 people have been treated in hospital for their injuries, while two people remain in a life-threatening condition.

Ms Ostalski said she finally found safety in a taxi but will remember the ordeal for the rest of her life.

“Honestly, I’m scared to sit on a train,” she added.

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