Rishi Sunak has refused to repeat Kemi Badenoch’s claim that the former Post Office boss was lying when he said he was told to delay compensation to Horizon scandal victims.
Sir Keir Starmer asked the prime minister if he is prepared to personally repeat the allegation made by his business secretary regarding Henry Staunton.
Mr Staunton, who was sacked last month, has claimed he was told to stall pay-outs to sub-postmasters due to financial concerns ahead of the general election – something Ms Badenoch has strongly denied.
Mr Sunak did not answer the Labour leader’s question directly, simply saying Mr Staunton was fired because of “serious concerns” about his conduct.
He added: “We have taken up steps to ensure victims of the Horizon scandal receive compensation as swiftly as possible… that remains our priority.”
Sir Keir, speaking at PMQs, pressed him on Ms Badenoch’s statement on Monday that Mr Staunton was “at no point told to delay compensation payments by either an official or a minister from any government department; at no point was it suggested that a delay would be a benefit to the Treasury.”
Asked if he will investigate if that statement is correct, the prime minister repeated that Mr Staunton was asked to step down “after serious concerns were raised”.
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The exchange comes after an unearthed memo from Mr Staunton which raises questions about Ms Badenoch’s claims.
It has emerged that Mr Staunton wrote a note on 5 January last year which said that Sarah Munby, the then permanent secretary at the business department, had warned him during a meeting that day not to “rip off the band aid” in terms of government finances in the run up to the election.
According to the note, seen by Sky News, Mr Staunton said that the Post Office board had identified a financial shortfall of £160m as of September 2022 and that “there was a likelihood of a significant reduction in post offices” if more government funding was not made available.
He wrote: “Sarah was sympathetic to all of the above. She understood the ‘huge commercial challenge’ and the ‘seriousness’ of the financial position. She described ‘all the options as unattractive’. However, ‘politicians do not necessarily like to confront reality’. This particularly applied when there was no obvious ‘route to profitability’.
“She said we needed to know that in the run-up to the election there was no appetite to ‘rip off the band aid’. ‘Now was not the time for dealing with long-term issues.’ We needed a plan to ‘hobble’ up to the election.”
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Labour MP Liam Byrne, who is chair of parliament’s Business Committee, said the note is “a go slow order, without a doubt”. He said his committee will attempt to “flush out the truth” on Tuesday, when Mr Staunton will appear before MPs.
The note has sparked demands from the Lib Dems for Mr Sunak’s ethics adviser to investigate whether Ms Badenoch misled parliament with her accusation that Mr Staunton was lying.
Labour said there needs to be a cabinet office investigation to establish the veracity of Mr Staunton’s claims.
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Earlier, a government source was dismissive of the memo and suggested Mr Staunton was either “confused or deliberately mixing up” long-standing issues around Post Office finances with the payouts to wrongfully convicted sub-postmasters.
They added: “Even if we trust the veracity of a memo he wrote himself, and there’s not much to suggest we can, given the false accusations he made about the Secretary of State in his original interview, it’s time for Henry Staunton to admit his interview on Sunday was a misrepresentation of his conversations with ministers and officials and to apologise to the government and the postmasters.”
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Was ousted boss asked to delay compensation payments?
In his original interview with the Sunday Times, Mr Staunton claimed that he was ordered by a senior civil servant to stall spending on compensation for Horizon victims to allow the government to “limp into the election”.
He said it “was not an anti-postmaster thing, it was just straight financials”.
He also claimed that when he was sacked he was told someone had to “take the rap” for the Horizon scandal, which came under renewed public scrutiny following the ITV drama series Mr Bates Vs The Post Office.
He has said he decided to go public “out of a desire to ensure that the public were fully aware of the facts surrounding the multiple failures that have led to postmasters in this country being badly let down”.
The Horizon scandal saw hundreds of sub-postmasters prosecuted because of discrepancies in the Fujitsu-developed IT system between 1999 and 2015, in what has been called the biggest miscarriage of justice in UK history.
Campaigners have criticised a change to the rules around declarations of interest in the House of Lords as a “retrograde step” which will lead to a “significant loss of transparency”.
Since 2000, peers have had to register a list of “non-financial interests” – which includes declaring unpaid but often important roles like being a director, trustee, or chair of a company, think tank or charity.
But that requirement was dropped in April despite staff concerns.
Tom Brake, director of Unlock Democracy, and a former Liberal Democrat MP, wants to see the decision reversed.
“It’s a retrograde step,” he said. “I think we’ve got a significant loss of transparency and accountability and that is bad news for the public.
“More than 25 years ago, the Committee on Standards in Public Life identified that there was a need for peers to register non-financial interests because that could influence their decisions. I’m confused as to what’s happened in the last 25 years that now means this requirement can be scrapped.
“This process seems to be all about making matters simpler for peers, rather than what the code of conduct is supposed to do, which is to boost the public’s confidence.”
Image: MPs and peers alike have long faced scrutiny over their interests outside Westminster. File pic
Rules were too ‘burdensome’, say peers
The change was part of an overhaul of the code of conduct which aimed to “shorten and clarify” the rules for peers.
The House of Lords Conduct Committee argued that updating non-financial interests was “disproportionately burdensome” with “minor and inadvertent errors” causing “large numbers of complaints”.
As a result, the register of Lords interests shrunk in size from 432 pages to 275.
MPs have a different code of conduct, which requires them to declare any formal unpaid positions or other non-financial interests which may be an influence.
A source told Sky News there is real concern among some Lords’ staff about the implications of the change.
Non-financial interest declarations have previously highlighted cases where a peer’s involvement in a think tank or lobbying group overlapped with a paid role.
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There are also examples where a peer’s non-financial interest declaration has prompted an investigation – revealing a financial interest which should have been declared instead.
In 2023, Lord Skidelsky was found to have breached the code after registering his role as chair of a charity’s trustees as a non-financial interest.
Image: Lord Skidelsky. Pic: UK Parliament
The Commissioner for Standards investigated after questions were raised about the charity, the Centre for Global Studies.
He concluded that the charity – which was funded by two Russian businessmen – only existed to support Lord Skidelsky’s work, and had paid his staff’s salaries for over 12 years.
In 2021, Lord Botham – the England cricket legend – was found to have breached the code after registering a non-financial interest as an unpaid company director.
The company’s accounts subsequently revealed he and his wife had benefitted from a director’s loan of nearly £200,000. It was considered a minor breach and he apologised.
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‘Follow the money’
Lord Eric Pickles, the former chair of the anti-corruption watchdog, the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments, believes focusing on financial interests makes the register more transparent.
“My view is always to follow the money. Everything else on a register is camouflage,” he said.
“Restricting the register to financial reward will give peers little wriggle room. I know this is counterintuitive, but the less there is on the register, the more scrutiny there will be on the crucial things.”
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‘I was shocked’
The SNP want the House of Lords to be scrapped, and has no peers of its own. Deputy Westminster leader Pete Wishart MP is deeply concerned by the changes.
“I was actually quite horrified and quite shocked,” he said.
“This is an institution that’s got no democratic accountability, it’s a job for life. If anything, members of the House of Lords should be regulated and judged by a higher standard than us in the House of Commons – and what’s happened is exactly the opposite.”
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The government has pledged to reform the House of Lords and is currently trying to push through a bill abolishing the 92 remaining hereditary peers, which will return to the House of Commons in September.
But just before recess the bill was amended in the Lords so that they can remain as members until retirement or death. It’s a change which is unlikely to be supported by MPs.
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A spokesperson for the House of Lords said: “Maintaining public confidence in the House of Lords is a key objective of the code of conduct. To ensure that, the code includes rigorous rules requiring the registration and declaration of all relevant financial interests held by members of the House of Lords.
“Public confidence relies, above all, on transparency over the financial interests that may influence members’ conduct. This change helps ensure the rules regarding registration of interests are understandable, enforceable and focused on the key areas of public concern.
“Members may still declare non-financial interests in debate, where they consider them directly relevant, to inform the House and wider public.
“The Conduct Committee is appointed to review the code of conduct, and it will continue to keep all issues under review. During its review of the code of conduct, the committee considered written evidence from both Unlock Democracy and Transparency International UK, among others.”
Federico Carrone, a privacy-focused Ethereum core developer, confirmed that he has been released after being accused by Turkish authorities of aiding the “misuse” of an Ethereum privacy protocol.
In January, the Terraform Labs co-founder pleaded not guilty to several charges, including securities fraud, market manipulation, money laundering and wire fraud.