Tesla shareholders have voted for the questions they want to ask Elon Musk and Tesla’s management at the upcoming earning results this week. The questions have something in common: they are primarily about failed promises.
It should be interesting to see Elon Musk skate around all those questions.
Tesla is going to release its Q4 2024 and full-year 2024 financial results on Wednesday after market close.
After the release of the results, Tesla will hold a conference call where it will take questions from Wall Street analysts and Tesla shareholders.
The shareholders can vote on the questions to be asked on the Say Technologies platform.
Here, I’ve included a list of the most upvoted questions, and I’ve found a common thread: most of them involve failed promises.
Unsurprisingly, the first question is about “unsupervised full self-driving” (FSD). It’s on top of most Tesla shareholders’ minds as CEO Elon Musk himself claims that Tesla is worthless if it can’t deliver on self-driving – something Musk said would happen by the end of every year for the past 5 years.
Musk’s latest timeline for unsupervised FSD was communicated during Tesla’s last earnings when he claimed Tesla would launch “unsupervised FSD in California and Texas around Q2 2025”.
With the timeline approaching fast, shareholders are asking whether or not it’s still happening:
Is unsupervised FSD still planned to be released in Texas and California this year? What hurdles still exist to make this happen?
As we recently reported, the latest data about FSD shows that Tesla is at fewer than 500 miles between critical disengagement, while the head of the FSD program recently said that unsupervised should achieve a disengagement equivalent to the human collision rate: 1 every 670,000 miles.
It’s also possible that Tesla will release a smaller geo-fenced fleet of self-driving vehicles instead of its broader promised unsupervised self-driving for its customer fleet. In that case, it would require lesser performance, but it would still need a roughly 50x increase over the current performance.
The second most upvoted question is about Optimus:
The next question is about Musk giving equity access in his private companies to Tesla shareholders:
Elon has said publicly that long term shareholders of Tesla will have the ability to invest in his other companies. Could you provide some clarity/color as to what that looks like? Brokerage firms use FIFO so anyone who trades won’t have the true length of time as investor.
That’s something that he has been talking about for years with SpaceX, but he never made it happen.
Tesla shareholders are also upvoting a question about making FSD transfer permanent:
Can you please tie purchased FSD to our owner accounts vs. locked to the car? This will help us enjoy it in any Tesla we drive/buy and reward us for hanging in so long, some of us since 2017.
This has been asked several times on Tesla earnings call and Musk has always said no. He prefers using a “transfer window” as demand triggers rather than doing the right thing and letting people transfer the software package that they paid for, but Tesla never fully delivers.
The next question is about cheaper Tesla vehicles:
Is there a new affordable Tesla model coming soon?
This is something Tesla has been promising for years, but Musk has steered Tesla away from it. He canceled Tesla’s planned “$25,000 model” – saying that it was useless amid self-driving.
Over the last few years, he had Tesla focused on the Cybertruck and Robotaxi instead.
More recently, Tesla had to course correct amid declining sales and they announced two new cheaper models based on Model 3 and Model Y that are supposed to come in the first half of 2025. That appears to be what the shareholders want an update on with this question.
Next, they want to know the status of the Tesla Semi:
What is the status on mass production of the Tesla Semi? How do you project it will affect revenue at scale?
Tesla Semi is one of Tesla’s most delayed vehicle programs. It was first unveiled in 2017 and it was supposed to go into production in 2020. It then entered into a low-volume pilot production in late 2022, and it is only now expected to go into volume production next year.
The start of production at the new factory for the electric truck is expected by the end of 2025.
The next question is about HW3 computers:
Is it expected that Tesla will need to upgrade HW3 vehicles and if so, what is the timeline and expected impact to Tesla’s CapEx?
For almost a year, we have been reporting that HW3 computers have reached their limits. At the last earnings call, Musk finally admitted it might be true.
Since then, HW3 vehicles have fallen further behind HW4 vehicles, but there’s no plan for a retrofit in sight.
The last question asked whether Tesla is giving up on the solar roof:
Has Tesla given up on ramping their solar roof product?
Tesla has since stopped even reporting its solar deployment.
Electrek’s Take
I predict that Tesla will double down on Optimus with this earnings call and/or announce or unveil their cheaper vehicles.
Optimus gets a lot of flak, but I think Tesla can solve humanoid robots before it can solve self-driving. There’s value in humanoid robots, not nearly as much as Elon claims, as it is often the case, but I think they will start leaning more on that to wow investors than self-driving.
The only other things that meaningfully drive earnings are cheaper vehicles. Tesla previously said that those would launch in the first half of 2025 so they are basically due to be unveiled. I would expect something to be announced on that front.
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Thanks to a clever, fully electric swing system and “boom up” power assist features, the big PC365-11 hybrid excavator from Komatsu promises better performance and serious fuel savings compared to conventional diesel machines.
Komatsu says its PC365-11 hybrid excavator uses a “boom-up” power assist feature that captures and stores kinetic energy during different operation cycles, then taps into that power to provide an extra energy boost when needed. The result is 15% more productivity and a 20% improvement in fuel efficiency when compared to non-hybrid excavators in ~40 ton class.
“The PC365LC-11 was engineered for excellence in multifunction applications by leveraging its innovative electric powertrain system to boost job site productivity while reducing fuel consumption,” says Matthew Moen, Komatsu’s product manager. “To highlight these performance enhancements, we’re emphasizing the concept of ‘multifunction plus’ as the defining feature of this machine.”
And, thanks to Komatsu’s proprietary software, all of this energy capture and reuse happens automagically during normal work, without the need for external charging. The fuel savings happen because removing the hydraulic load from the ICE engine allows it to run at an ultra-low idle, while the productivity comes from the greater power and overall speed of the electric operations vs. conventional hydraulics.
Electrek’s Take
Komatsu lunar excavator; image by the author.
Trust me when I tell you that Komatsu didn’t wake up one day and decide to build a capacitor-based hybrid crane. One of their customers had the idea and came to them, promising orders. That’s what Komatsu does – from undersea remote control dozers to lunar mining rigs (above), if you bring Komatsu an order, they will absolutely find a way to fill it.
As for PC365-11 hybrid excavator, it’s packed with clever tech, overall – offering significant fuel, emissions, and TCO reductions without dramatically changing the operational logistics of an existing fleet’s operations. That’s all the sales pitch it needs.
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For serious fleet buyers, safety isn’t a “nice-to-have,” it’s an absolute must – and Kia’s new PV5 electric van meets that need with a positively stellar, five-star safety rating on the tough European NCAP safety test.
The new “do-it-all” Kia PV5 showed strong performance across a number of key safety categories, including Occupant Protection, Safety Assist/Crash Avoidance, and Post-Crash Safety. The PV5’s robust suite of standard ADAS technologies that includes AEB, Lane Support System, and Speed Assistance System also helped the new electric work van to deliver top marks in the NCAP’s “real world” test scenarios.
The Euro NCAP tests highlighted the strong performance of a number of the PV5’s ADAS features, specifically calling out the following:
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Demonstrated strong responsiveness in vehicle-to-vehicle scenarios
Provides additional protection for pedestrians behind the vehicle
Avoided collisions in most pedestrian and cyclist test cases
The Kia PV5 slots into familiar territory for US buyers, landing roughly in the same size class as the Ford Transit Connect or Ram ProMaster City, with ~180 cubic feet of interior cargo space available, which is plenty to make it attractive for last-mile delivery and trade work in tight urban markets.
Globally, the PV5 is offered with a number of battery options, including a smaller 43.3 kWh Lithium-Iron-Phosphate (LFP) pack, as well as larger Nickel-Cobalt-Manganese (NCM) packs at 51.5 kWh and 71.2 kWh. The longest-range versions are good for about 250 miles of estimated range – more than enough for Kia to make a case for it as a practical, city-focused alternative to much larger (and pricier) electric vans.
Larger vans, by the way, that may not have that 5 star Euro NCAP rating.
Kia PV5
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Alphabet-owned Waymo has suspended its driverless ride-hail service in the San Francisco Bay Area after blackouts plagued the city Saturday afternoon.
“We have temporarily suspended our ride-hailing services in the San Francisco Bay Area due to the widespread power outage,” a Waymo spokesperson tells CNBC. “Our teams are working diligently and in close coordination with city officials, and we are hopeful to bring our services back online soon. We appreciate your patience and will provide further updates as soon as they are available.”
Waymo notice of service outage in San Francisco.
Source: Waymo
As power outages spread yesterday, videos shared on social media appeared to show multiple Waymo vehicles stalled in traffic in different parts of the city.
San Francisco resident Matt Schoolfield said he saw at least three Waymo autonomous vehicles stopped in traffic Saturday around 9:45 p.m. local time, including one he photographed on Turk Boulevard near Parker Avenue.
“They were just stopping in the middle of the street,” Schoolfield said.
A Waymo vehicle stuck between Parker and Beaumont, on the north side of Turk Boulevard in San Francisco.
Credit: Matt Schoolfield
The power outages began around 1:09 p.m. Saturday and peaked roughly two hours later, affecting about 130,000 customers, according to Pacific Gas and Electric. As of Sunday morning, about 21,000 customers remained without power, mainly in the Presidio, the Richmond District, Golden Gate Park and parts of downtown San Francisco.
PG&E said the outage was caused by a fire at a substation that resulted in “significant and extensive” damage, and said it could not yet provide a precise timeline for full restoration.
San Francisco Mayor Daniel Lurie said in a 9 p.m. update on X that police officers, fire crews, parking control officers and city ambassadors were deployed across affected neighborhoods as transit service gradually resumed. “Waymo has also paused service,” Lurie said.
Amid the disruption, Tesla CEO Elon Muskposted on X: “Tesla Robotaxis were unaffected by the SF power outage.”
Unlike Waymo, Tesla does not operate a driverless robotaxi service in San Francisco.
Tesla’s local ride-hailing service uses vehicles equipped with “FSD (Supervised),” a premium driver assistance system. The service requires a human driver behind the wheel at all times.
According to state regulators — including the California Department of Motor Vehicles and California Public Utilities Commission — Tesla has not obtained permits to conduct driverless testing or services in the state without human safety supervisors behind the wheel, ready to steer or brake at any time.
Tesla is vying to become a robotaxi titan, but does not yet operate commercial, driverless services. Tesla’s Robotaxi app allows users to hail a ride; however, its vehicles currently have human safety supervisors or drivers on board, even in states where the company has obtained permits for driverless operations.
Waymo, which leads the nascent industry in the West, is Tesla’s chief competitor in AVs, along with Chinese players like Baidu-owned Apollo Go.
The outage-related disruptions in San Francisco come as robotaxi services are becoming more common in other major U.S. cities. Waymo is among a small number of companies operating fully driverless ride-hailing services for the public, even as unease about autonomous vehicles remains high.
A survey by the American Automobile Association earlier this year found that about two-thirds of U.S. drivers said they were fearful of autonomous vehicles.
The Waymo pause in San Francisco indicates cities are not yet ready for highly automated vehicles to inundate their streets, said Bryan Reimer, a research scientist at the MIT Center for Transportation and co-author of “How to Make AI Useful.”
“Something in the design and development of this technology was missed that clearly illustrates it was not the robust solution many would like to believe it is,” he said.
Reimer noted that power outages are entirely predictable. “Not for eternity, but in the foreseeable future, we will need to mix human and machine intelligence, and have human backup systems in place around highly automated systems, including robotaxis,” he said.
State and city regulators will need to consider what the maximum penetration of highly automated vehicles should be in their region, Reimer added, and AV developers should be held responsible for “chaos gridlock,” just as human drivers would be held responsible for how they drive during a blackout.
Waymo did not say when its service would resume and did not specify whether collisions involving its vehicles had occurred during the blackout.
Tesla and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
This is a developing story. Please check back for updates.
— CNBC’s Riya Bhattacharjee contributed reporting.