An individual at the heart of cross-Channel people-smuggling has revealed to Sky News that most smugglers choose to settle in Britain and invest their profits here.
The man, whose identity we will not reveal, provides details on how smugglers operate, how they justify their criminality, their business model, their relationship with the French police and how smuggling could be affected by the government’s plans to send asylum-seekers to Rwanda.
This is the first time a cross-Channel people smuggler has agreed to a face-to-face television interview. The man, who is Kurdish, spoke to Sky News in conditions of complete secrecy.
The man, who we refer to as Garmiyani, said: “Three-quarters of the smugglers are in Britain. The money that they make here [in northern France], they invest in businesses there – in Britain. They live there, life is easier.
“Regardless of their nationalities, three-quarters of the smugglers live in the UK. They are happier there. They rent houses under someone else’s name and drive cars without a licence.”
Image: People smugglers recruit customers in the migrant camps in northern France
Garmiyani said he knew about the British government’s desire to break the business model of people smuggling and the proposal to send arrivals to Rwanda, but seemed unperturbed.
He said: “I swear even if they send people to the Amazon, people will come to Britain – it’s their wish to go to Britain.
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People smuggler speaks to Sky News
“It will decrease but not to the extent that refugees won’t come to Britain. People will still try. People will still come.”
He said that smugglers play “hide and seek” with the French police as they try to launch boats from the beaches.
“The police watch them, and they also watch the police,” he said. “Smugglers hide and wait until the police have gone and then they do their job [launching the boats], which takes around half an hour.”
He rejected the claim that the French police were too laid back in their approach, saying “no, that does not happen…they do their job and arrest people.
“It is becoming more difficult… In the past, it was just [migrants hiding on] trucks. Now the police know from which points they send people, so they have identified the locations.”
Image: People smugglers look for customers in the migrant camps in northern France
Garmiyani said that smugglers did not see themselves as carrying out crimes, but rather as operating a business.
He said: “We are working and making money – even helping people. Smugglers don’t see it as smuggling. They see it as another job, like working in a restaurant or a barbershop. Our job is transferring people to the other side.”
He said that migrants arriving at the camps near Calais and Dunkirk would quickly be introduced to intermediaries acting on behalf of smugglers, and would then choose which to go with.
“If there are too many migrants, prices go up. If the numbers of people are low then the prices drop. It goes from €500 to €2,500.”
He also said smugglers would charge different prices depending on the nationality of the migrant: “Albanians pay more, Pakistanis pay more.”
In northern France, smugglers are people of the shadows.
They are blamed for the rising number of asylum-seekers crossing the Channel in small boats. Blamed, too, for the dozens of people who have died in accidents.
In the migrant camps that spring up around the coast they are always mentioned, but never seen or identified. And until now, nobody has been able to sit down and talk to one of them.Â
Setting up the interview took a long time and required intermediaries, trust and persuasion. And no, we didn’t pay him to talk to us.
He is Kurdish and I would guess he’s aged in his early 30s. He had a curious blend of nervousness and self-confidence. I suspect that there is an art to being unobtrusive to most, but memorable to those that you want to remember you.
He smiled when I asked him whether he would be happy to put a family member on board one of these dinghies. He asked me why I was asking that question here, in France, when “three-quarters of the smugglers are in Britain”.
His assertion was that the boat trip across the Channel was easy compared to these migrants’ other experiences.
The insights were compelling – the prices, the way in which middlemen connected migrants with smugglers, and the grudging respect for the French police.
He left as he arrived – quietly, with no flourish. A handshake, a word of thanks, and he was gone. Apparently, he had a busy evening ahead of him – the winds were low, and the sea was calm. The boats would be launching in a few hours.
He claimed that some cross-Channel journeys are organised by families who club together to buy their own boat and engine, and added that many smugglers waste their profits on “alcohol, drugs and gambling”.
But he insisted that he only allowed boats to leave when the winds were light. He was scathing about others, including the people who arranged the Channel crossing in late 2021 that resulted in the death of 31 migrants.
“Some of the smugglers have no conscience,” he said. “They are mafias, not smugglers, and do it only for the money.
“They know the weather is not good but they still play with people’s lives. That night of the incident was one of those nights.
The Kremlin is acutely aware of the American president’s apparent shift in sympathy towards Ukraine, and it’s fearful that it could translate into Kyiv being given permission to use US Tomahawk missiles.
This was a clear attempt to stave off the weapons – which Moscow regards as a dangerous escalation – and bring Donald Trump back around to Russia’s way of thinking.
Image: Russian President Vladimir Putin. Pic: Reuters
Judging by the White House readout of Thursday’s call, Vladimir Putin appears to have had some success.
He described the call as “very productive,” claimed the leaders made “great progress,” and – crucially – we’re told there’ll be another summit.
But does that really count as progress? After the distinct lack of progress that followed Alaska, I expect Ukraine and its European allies will doubt whether Budapest will be any different.
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Trump-Putin call ‘good and productive’
What happens next?
There is a chance that Trump could still give Zelenskyy what he wants in terms of firepower at their meeting today, but I doubt it. If he does, Putin would be forced to respond, and Budapest would be bust.
The call, and its outcome, follows a similar pattern.
Just as Trump seems poised to throw his support behind Ukraine and apply pressure on Russia, in a manner that’s more than merely verbal, Putin somehow manages to talk him down and buy more time, despite showing no sign of compromise or making any concrete concessions.
There was the demand back in March for a 30-day truce, which Putin countered by offering a ceasefire on strikes targeting energy infrastructure only.
In May, Trump tried again, but this time with the threat of joining Europe and imposing massive sanctions. Putin’s response – direct talks with Ukraine.
Image: Donald Trump meets Vladimir Putin in Alaska. Pic: Reuters
And don’t forget Trump’s 50-day, then 12-day, deadline in the summer for Russia to end the war or face economic fury. That’s what triggered the Alaska summit.
This feels like history is repeating itself.
How does Putin do it? His tactic seems to be the same each time – offer Trump something he can present as a breakthrough, and serve it with lashings of bald-faced flattery.
In this case, he congratulated Trump on his “great accomplishment” of the Gaza ceasefire; he thanked the first lady for her intervention on Ukraine’s missing children; and he agreed to (or perhaps proposed) another face-to-face photo-op.
Back on EU soil with a smile
If Budapest happens, Trump will get what he wants – a TV moment to serve as the latest illustration of his peace-making presidency.
But perhaps the bigger prize will be Putin’s, who’ll be welcomed on to EU soil for the first time since the war began, despite Europe’s ongoing sanctions on Russia.
The prospect of more military support for Kyiv may have been the catalyst for Russia’s return to the table.
High-level officials from Washington and Moscow will meet next week.
Mr Trump and Vladimir Putin, who last came face-to-face in Alaska two months ago, will meet again soon in Budapest, Hungary.
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Trump-Putin call ‘good and productive’
Asked if the US president still believes he can get Mr Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskyy together soon, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said: “I think he thinks it’s possible, and he would, of course, love to see that happen.”
But there’s currently no plan for the Ukrainian leader to join Trump and Putin in Hungary, and that will be a concern for Kyiv and its European allies.
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Gaza peace plan & Ukraine war: Q&A
How does call impact Ukraine’s Tomahawk request?
It’s difficult to envisage the US granting Ukraine’s request for Tomahawk cruise missiles against the backdrop of these diplomatic manoeuvres.
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Donald Trump previously suggested he could send Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine
Hamas has told Sky News that it is committed to every detail of the ceasefire agreement but says it faces “enormous difficulties” in recovering the remaining bodies of Israeli hostages.
Hazem Qassem, a Hamas spokesperson based in Gaza, said that recovering and identifying the bodies would require specialist equipment that no longer exists in the enclave and said that some of the hostages had been “vaporised” during Israeli military attacks.
He also said that the question of disarmament, which has been repeatedly highlighted by both American and Israeli politicians, was “complex and sensitive” with a need to avoid an “extremely dangerous security vacuum”.
The ceasefire deal initiated by Donald Trump mandated that Hamas should return all of the hostages it was holding, both living and dead.
So far, all 20 living hostages have been returned to Israel, while the remains of nine hostages have been handed over. That leaves a further 19 dead hostages unaccounted for.
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Trauma and sorrow in Israel as hostage funerals held
Mr Qassem flatly denies this and says it is all but impossible for them to now reach the remains of captives with the equipment they have.
He said: “We need heavy machinery, cranes, and specialised equipment for identifying remains, none of which exist in Gaza. All our heavy equipment was completely destroyed, as were all forensic laboratories.
“Therefore, we need technical teams capable of identifying bodies and dealing with the immense rubble. The mediators understand that.”
Image: Hamas spokesperson Hazem Qassem
He continued: “There are major difficulties in locating and reaching sites due to the destruction and the change in the geography of the areas. That means it all requires more time and effort. There is a great effort underway and Hamas is working to fully implement the agreement.
“We explained all this to the mediators from the outset, and they understood. We even heard from US President Trump that he acknowledged the difficulty of this issue, saying we showed a genuine intention to return the bodies.”
What has Hamas said on disarmament?
Trump has also been vocal about the need for disarmament, another stipulation in the agreement, even if it is vaguely expressed.
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Mr Qassem made it clear to our team that, in the minds of Hamas, the subject still requires much more debate.
“We emphasise that there must be no security vacuum, because a vacuum is extremely dangerous,” he said.
“There must be effort toward reforming administrative structures to prevent such a void.
“The issue of weapons is complex and sensitive, requiring national consensus and political approaches to solve this dilemma. We must avoid being trapped by the term ‘disarmament’ but instead find nationally agreed approaches to deal with the weapons issue.”
He claimed prisoners returned by Israel showed signs of torture, claiming there were “descriptions and testimonies that are too gruesome to mention in the media” and demanded “immediate accountability”.
Israel has denied the mistreatment of prisoners, saying they are offered medical treatment while in detention.
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Sky’s Dominic Waghorn reports on violence between Palestinians
Hamas comments on execution videos
Qassem also alleged that Israel was stoking violence in Gaza by supporting armed militias, who he accused of “high treason – the most severe charge in Palestinian revolutionary law”.
Sky News recently reported on links between Israel and the Abu Shabab rebel group, which is based in Gaza but opposes Hamas.
Our team asked Qassem about images widely spread on social media that appeared to show people being executed on the street.
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Two years of war: Damage to Gaza captured by drone
Qassem claimed the clashes were a result of action taken by government security forces, and not Hamas itself, but said that some people had been “turned in” after accusations that they had colluded with Israel.
“The most important point we stress is that these chaotic incidents must be decisively contained. The security forces are carrying out their lawful duty to impose order and prevent anarchy, holding offenders accountable.”