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Online dating apps, a crypto exchange and a professional wrestling brand are among the many companies that tried to weave their disparate and seemingly unrelated businesses into the metaverse discussion this quarter.

The concept was on the top of analysts’ minds after Facebook changed its corporate name to Meta last month in preparation for “an embodied internet where you’re in the experience, not just looking at it,” as defined by Chief Executive Officer Mark Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg is betting the metaverse, a computer-generated world, is where people will work, play and socialize using the company’s virtual reality headsets.

But executives around the world have lots of differing opinions on what the metaverse is and when we can expect it. Some view the metaverse as something that already exists, such as worlds created by Roblox. Others see it as a vague futuristic concept.

When questioned on their plans for the metaverse after earnings this week, the executive’s answers were everything. And nothing. Most didn’t shy away from brainstorming forward-thinking business opportunities that could boost stock values. It’s unclear whether or not they’ll actually materialize — or if the ideas even make sense.

“All I can do is kind of sit back and watch it in amazement,” Neal Stephenson, who popularized the term in his 1992 book “Snow Crash,” told CNBC in a recent interview.

Here’s what we “learned.”

It’s the human co-experience

Roblox CEO David Baszucki: “It’s been called the metaverse today. We’ve called it human co-experience,” Baszucki defines the metaverse as a place where technology combines high-fidelity communication with a new way to tell stories, borrowing from mobile gaming and the entertainment industry.

“This new category of the metaverse or co-experience is predicated on eight fundamentals,” said Baszucki: identity, social, immersive, low friction, variety, anywhere, economy, and civility.

It’s already here

Warner Music Group CEO Stephen Cooper: “I think within these large scale metaverses, Fortnite, Roblox and others, that we will begin to see an opportunity where providing content and distribution converges. And when you begin to look at the global reach, the number of people that spend meaningful amounts of time in these new worlds, I think it provides a universe of opportunity for Warner.”

It’s not here yet

Vonage Holdings (cloud communications) CEO Rory Read: “I think it’s the next 5, 7, 10 years.”

It’s too late to get in

Bilibili (Chinese video-sharing site) CEO Rui Chen: “Metaverse is a concept, it’s not a product. And before this concept emerges, actually many of the elements associated with metaverse already existed. Whether it’s virtual reality, a tight social community or a system social system or a self-reinforcing ecosystem, it’s already existed, and there are a lot of companies already developing product on those concepts, for example, Facebook and Tencent, and actually, Bilibili is one of them.

So that’s why I think, that if someone hears the concept of metaverse and decided to get into this business probably would be a little bit too late. That is because those elements such as social system, self-reinforcing ecosystem, all of which cannot be done in a couple of months or even in years.”

It’s vague

Tencent President Chi Ping Lau: “On metaverse, I think this is actually sort of a very exciting, but a little bit vague concept.”

Dolby Laboratories CEO Kevin Yeaman: “I think the metaverse, I guess, can take many forms, but ultimately it is an audiovisual experience.”

Whatever it is, NetEase will be a ‘fast runner’

Chinese game maker NetEase Head of Investor Relations Margaret Shi: “The metaverse is indeed the new buzzword everywhere today. But then, on the other hand, I think nobody has actually had firsthand experience in what it is. But at NetEase, we are technologically ready. We know how to accumulate the relevant know-how, the relevant skillsets when that day comes. So, I think when that day eventually comes, we’d probably be one of the fastest runners in the metaverse space.”

It has something to do with crypto

Coinbase co-founder and CEO Brian Armstrong: “I think with the tens of millions of Americans out there that are now using this asset class for all kinds of things, not just financial services and unique payments and things like that, but also art and new forms of governance and identity and the Metaverse. And it’s just so exciting that the millions of young people, the talented young people all over the U.S. are coming into this field.”

It’s the digitized Game of Life

Chris Cocks, CEO of Hasbro‘s Wizards of the Coast: “The first step to be participating in the metaverse, you have to have digital games. I think the metaverse is shorthand for, hey, entertainment is digitizing and entertainment is the Game of Life.”

It’s…something where Bumble will be

Bumble (dating company) president Tariq M. Shaukat: “On the metaverse piece, we’re really taking a Web3 lens on this in particular, meaning we are… I’m sure somebody will build a more virtual experience and we will happily engage and be there when they do that with avatars, etc. But what we really think is really interesting in the near term is the application of blockchain and crypto in general to the experience that our communities have. Fundamentally, we are not just an ecosystem, but we are a community of people. That is true on Bumble and Badoo, but it is particularly true as we think about the kind of reimagine Bumble BFF.”

“And the opportunities to really engage our members and really think of them as members who are participants in this community is really, we think, really just super exciting. And so we’re continuing to experiment. We’ve got a couple of tests that we’re very excited about that we will be rolling out in the upcoming months around this, but we think that’s the first toehold. This is something that is going to evolve. We want to make sure we’re setting the technical and engineering foundation for whatever emerges in the metaverse and in the Web3 world.”

It will have news and sports

Ryan Steelberg, Veritone (AI software) co-founder: “Just one simple example is, imagine now just one of our big media partners like ESPN or CBS News, having all of their content, in effect, ready for seamless integration with the metaverse, right, where that content being on offline throughout a more traditional means of distribution like OTT or linear television.”

It will run on Qualcomm chips

Qualcomm CEO Cristiano Amon: “If you were going to spend time in the metaverse, Snapdragon is going to be your ticket to the metaverse.” (Facebook’s Oculus headsets currently run on Qualcomm chips.)

It’s going to be a lot bigger than Facebook (Meta)

Veritone CEO Chad Steelberg: “I think the metaverse, by definition, is a lot bigger than the new Meta company aka Facebook. By definition, it’s a multiverse, that’s going to be moving content and information both into the digital realm, and then, obviously, the digital realm interfacing back with us in our physical selves.”

Unity senior vice president Marc Whitten: “Whatever the word metaverse means, it’s going to be built by millions of content creators, and we’re on a mission to give them the easy-to-use and high-performance tools that will bring their visions to life.”

Roblox Chief Product Officer Manuel Bronstein: “At Roblox, we want to connect more than 1 billion people in the metaverse.”

It will have ads

Roblox Chief Business Officer Craig Donato: “We expect ad agencies to have the capability to build metaverse experiences.”

Disney will have one

Disney CEO Bob Chapek: “Suffice it to say our efforts to date are merely a prologue to a time when we’ll be able to connect the physical and digital worlds even more closely, allowing for storytelling without boundaries in our own Disney metaverse.”

It will involve people playing the piano

Match Group (dating companies) CEO Sharmistha Dubey:There is, for instance, a piano bar where people’s digital selves are gathering around, but they’re actually playing their pianos at home and jamming with others. You can overhear a conversation, join conversations, you can tap into the digital avatars to see more of their profiles, and you have basically a richer set of signals to help connect with someone. It is metaverse experiences coming to life in a way that is transformative to how people meet and get to know each other on a dating or social discovery platform and is much more akin to how people interact in the real world.”

It will be primarily made by artists

Unity CEO John Riccitiello, on Unity’s play for the metaverse through its acquisition of Weta Digital: “That’s going to really help us extract and help build the metaverse around the notion the world’s a better place with more creators in it. And now the many millions of creators in the world that think of themselves as artists, they’re welcomed on our platform and we got something that’s going to delight them. So, this really puts under our platform something that is, at least from an artist perspective, truly magic and they’re the largest tappable audience we have in our universe.”

It’s robust

Question from Laura Martin, analyst, Needham: “Okay, great. And then my other one is you guys have mentioned NFTs a couple times. So is that – could you size that for us and sort of more generally how do you feel about this, the role, the metaverse and going into the digital online world, and can you sort of think that NFTs are going to be – is meta going to be actually a bigger deal, like leaving to live, you guys really work in the live world, physical world, but how do you feel about the metaverse? And within that context, how big do you think NFTs could be as a part of the new metaverse?”

World Wrestling Entertainment Chief Revenue Officer Nick Khan: “We think it’s robust now. We think it’s going to continue to evolve and become perhaps even more robust, and we think it’s here to stay.”

Martin: “Okay. Thanks.”

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Taiwan plays a ‘very crucial role’ in AI supply chain, says Taiwan Stock Exchange CEO

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Taiwan Stock Exchange: We're confident in our capital markets no matter who next U.S. president is

Taiwan plays a critical role in the AI chip revolution and the global semiconductor industry, the chief executive of the Taiwan Stock Exchange told CNBC in an exclusive interview.

Sherman Lin, chairman and CEO of Taiwan Stock Exchange Corporation attributed the strong gains on the Taiwan Weighted Index to “the AI revolution.”

“It is just because [of] the high demand of the high-end chip, and also the server supply chain. That’s why our stock market is going up,” he said.

The Taiex has risen 27.93% in the last 12 months, but gave up some gains on Friday after most major markets in the region sank amid rising Middle East tensions.

Much of Taiwan’s dominance in the global semiconductor industry can be attributed to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co, the world’s largest contract chipmaker that produces advanced processors for clients like Apple and Nvidia. TSMC is the main manufacturer of Nvidia’s powerful AI processors.

“I think this is a lot of attraction for investors … So it means, actually, Taiwan plays [a] very crucial role in AI supply chain and also the semiconductor industry,” said Lin.

Taiwan’s chip dominance

In 2023, Taiwan led advanced chip manufacturing technology, including 16- or 14-nanometer and more advanced processes, with 68% global capacity share, according to TrendForce data. This was followed by the U.S. (12%), South Korea (11%), and China (8%), the data showed.

Taiwan also held nearly 80% market share in extreme ultraviolet generation processes, such as 7-nanometer and more advanced technology, said TrendForce. The smaller the nanometer size, the more powerful the chip is. EUV tools are critical in the production of the world’s most advanced processors.

“We have very good fundamentals of ICT industries. So we can have the strength to facilitate, leveraging the success of the ICT and technology industries, new economy business,” said Lin.

'It's all upside' for TSMC and other chipmakers over the next decade, advisory firm says

Quake and geopolitical risks

Earlier this month, Taiwan was hit by its strongest earthquake in 25 years. TSMC said construction sites were normal upon initial inspection, though workers from some fabs were briefly evacuated. Those workers subsequently returned to their workplaces.

“Taiwan shows very good resilience … I understand that some listed companies that report to the TWSE – they had very little impact on their productions,” said Lin.

“The kind of the challenge for Taiwan is the testing for our business continuity plan. We actually did quite well. And we refreshed, we responded really quickly. So you can see in the capital market, you can see the adjusted rebound quite soon,” said Lin.

“Right now, it’s still in the uptrend in the capital market after the earthquake.”

On the outcome of the U.S. elections and military conflicts, Lin said such situations “will always affect some capital markets” as well as the Taiwan market.

“But [as] you can see, it will go back to the fundamentals. So I think Taiwan has good fundamentals, [has] resilience and [responds] quickly. I am pretty confident about our capital markets,” said Lin.

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Dutch minister confident ‘crown jewel’ chip firm ASML will stay in Netherlands after threat to leave

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A top Dutch government minister said he’s confident the country’s coveted chip-equipment maker ASML will remain in the Netherlands following threats from the company to move its operations abroad.

Steven van Weyenberg, the Netherlands’ finance minister, told CNBC’s Karen Tso on Thursday that he isn’t worried by ASML’s statements threatening to leave the country. The company has since walked back the comments.

In a January call with investors, ASML CEO Peter Wennink said: “The consequences of limiting labor migration are large, we need those people to innovate. If we can’t get those people here, we will go somewhere where we can grow.”

His comments followed controversial plans by the Dutch to scale back tax breaks for highly skilled migrants and limit the number of foreigners who can attend Dutch universities.

ASML is core to the world’s semiconductor supply chain. The company makes extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV) machines, which are critical to the semiconductor industry for manufacturing integrated circuits.

EUV machines generate an incredibly short wavelength of light in large quantities to print small, complex designs on microchips. The EUV light is created with tiny explosions of molten tin happening at extreme speeds and then bounced off mirrors that ASML says are the flattest surfaces in the world.

“I think many people, many countries would love to welcome ASML, but I think they’re strongly embedded in the Netherlands,” Van Weyenberg told CNBC Thursday.

The minster said he had been involved in discussions between the cabinet and ASML last month concerning the firm’s plans to grow in the Netherlands and whether there were enough roads, houses and skilled people from abroad to foster that growth.

“I’m very optimistic about ASML’s future and that it will be within the Netherlands,” he said.

ASML logo is seen at the headquarters in Veldhoven, Netherlands June 16, 2023.

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The Dutch government last month launched a campaign dubbed “Operation Beethoven” in an attempt to address ASML’s concerns and convince them to stay in the Netherlands, Reuters reported.

The semiconductor-equipment maker has since ruled out a complete departure from the Netherlands, but the company remains unhappy with its home country’s approach to fostering growth.

“There is a considerable gap between the concerns of industry, and what we think is necessary, and what politicians think,” ASML CEO Peter Wennink told reporters after a meeting with the Dutch government in March, according to Reuters. If ASML can’t grow in the Netherlands “it can do so elsewhere”, he reportedly said.

Though the Dutch are still working to appoint a new government, plans previously approved by Parliament to cap the number of foreign students and scrap the skilled-migrant tax break have upset several businesses in the country, including ASML and Dutch chipmaker NXP.

More than 40% of ASML’s 23,000-strong workforce in the Netherlands are not Dutch.

The Netherlands has previously seen some of its multinational firms ditch its shores for greener pastures. In 2021, for example, oil major Shell decided to move its corporate headquarters and tax base to London from Amsterdam.

Meanwhile, Unilever, the Anglo-Dutch consumer goods firm, in 2020 moved forward with a plan to unify its headquarters in London, ending a hybrid structure that saw the firm dual-headquartered in both the U.K. and the Netherlands.

Britain’s high-growth technology firms have gripes of their own, however, in terms of how the government is encouraging foreign investment into tech startups, as well as the hiring of foreign labor following the country’s Brexit vote.

‘Crown jewel’ of Dutch economy

ASML has also been caught up in geopolitical tensions between the U.S. and China. In January, the company was barred by the Dutch government from exporting some of its tools to China.

The trade block was imposed after the U.S. government tightened export controls on advanced semiconductors and chipmaking tools to China in October, building on previous rules.

Van Weyenberg said the Dutch government was cooperating with ASML and the U.S. on chip export controls on China.

“ASML is one of the crown jewels of the Dutch economy,” Van Weyenberg said. “They are really one of the basis of our growth model.”

“We want to support them, we actually help them to grow in the Netherlands. And I think there is a great future for them ahead also complying with all the rules that are on the playing table,” he added.

But he also warned that global fragmentation caused by fractures in the world economy puts a small and open economy like the Netherlands at risk.

He added that from a security risk perspective, “we have to also look at China and make sure they play by the same rules.”

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Apple CEO Tim Cook looks on following a conversation on mental health, during a spousal program on the last day of the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) Leaders’ Week at Apple Park in San Francisco, California, on November 17, 2023. 

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Apple on Friday said it pulled several messaging apps like Meta‘s WhatsApp and Threads from the App Store in China after the nation’s government ordered the removal, citing security concerns.

The move further escalates tensions between the U.S. and China over technology and other policies. In recent days, Congress has been looking to fast-track legislation to push TikTok’s Chinese parent company, ByteDance, to divest the social media app. The House could vote on a new bill as soon as Saturday, and U.S. President Joe Biden has said he will sign it into law if it reaches his desk.

“We are obligated to follow the laws in the countries where we operate, even when we disagree,” Apple said in a statement. “The Cyberspace Administration of China ordered the removal of these apps from the China storefront based on their national security concerns.”

Other messaging platforms like Signal and Telegram were also removed from China’s App Store.

Logos of social network Threads, WhatsApp and Facebook are displayed on a personal computer in L’Aquila, Italy, on July 6, 2023.

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The strained relationship between the two countries has also pushed Apple to try and diversify its supply chain outside of China. The company has been expanding its manufacturing operations in other nations like India and Vietnam.

China has a long history of restricting access to content from the U.S. online, but some platforms like WhatsApp and Threads have historically been permitted through Apple’s App Store. These platforms are not as popular with Chinese users as others like WeChat, but their removal reduces the number of ways they can communicate with people outside of the country.

Meta directed CNBC to Apple for comment. Signal and Telegram did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

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