NHL superstar roundtable: Go-to cheat meals, Olympic thoughts, top road cities
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Kristen Shilton, ESPN NHL reporterSep 16, 2024, 07:00 AM ET
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The NHL offseason was too long for most players, but many filled the void with travel, weddings and a few rounds of golf.
We learned that and more catching up with league stars at the NHL Player Media Tour near Las Vegas last week. It’s one event a year where every topic is on the table, from summer plans to equipment quirks to road cities they circle on the calendar each year. (Hint: dinner reservations play a massive role.)
Let’s dive into some of the fun before the real games begin in October.

What was your summer highlight?
Macklin Celebrini, San Jose Sharks: I went to my first football game. I had never been to one and I went to the University of Michigan at the Big House to see them play …. That was pretty cool.
Vincent Trocheck, New York Rangers: I didn’t do s— this summer. It was nice to just be home.
John Carlson, Washington Capitals: I went and played golf in Ireland. It was a boys’ trip; my brother came. We played a bunch of great courses.
Bo Horvat, New York Islanders: We did a couple weddings over in Italy, which was where my wife and I went on our honeymoon. But I hadn’t been back in like five years, so it’s good to be there again. We went to Puglia and Venice and Rome.
Brandon Carlo, Boston Bruins: We went to [David Pastrnak‘s] wedding in Croatia. That was really cool. I’ve never been to Croatia, so I loved it there. It was beautiful. Food was fantastic. And then the water there? I loved it. It was really salty, so it kind of held you up. I’m not used to being able to, like, float in water very often, so I was in the water most of the day.
Jaccob Slavin, Carolina Hurricanes: We had a vacation to Mexico with my whole family. So, we had 20 people, and seven of them were under the age of 5. My mom and dad were pumped, because they had all their grandkids together. It was really fun.
Filip Forsberg, Nashville Predators: We had a baby in May, so it’s just been a lot of daddy time. It’s just been great. Somebody told me having a kid lets you reexperience everything through their eyes. And it’s been cool, because it’s him, like, figuring out his fingers, and how they work. The simplest things, and it’s the best.
Nick Suzuki, Montreal Canadiens: We were in Europe for three weeks. Went to three weddings, actually: two in Italy and then one in Ireland. Saw my teammate Josh Anderson get married in Puglia. It was very cool.
Robert Thomas, St. Louis Blues: I went on a golf trip to the south of Ireland. I was able to bring my dad and a couple other buddies and their dads, so it was great.
Clayton Keller, Utah Hockey Club: I got to go home for a week [to Missouri] and see my grandma.
Quinton Byfield, Los Angeles Kings: I went to Nashville for one of my old teammate’s bachelor party. Played some golf, went to a Zach Bryan concert. It was great.
Roope Hintz, Dallas Stars: Best thing is I got married. For my [black and white] suit, I just wanted to do something different. Somehow, I pulled that off. [My wife] liked it. The deal was I got to choose my own suit, but she liked it. And most of the guys liked it too, so that was good.
Owen Tippett, Philadelphia Flyers: I had five weddings and two bachelor parties. The highlight was being the officiant at my sister’s wedding. Right from the start we knew it was going to be super quick and easy and obviously I’m not a fan of public speaking, but when she asked me, I couldn’t really say no.
Wyatt Johnston, Dallas Stars: Went out to Inverness, Cape Breton, in Nova Scotia, for a golf trip with some friends. That was my little vacation, and it was awesome; we had a ton of fun.
What’s the best road city to visit?
Celebrini: Probably going back to Boston. That’s where all my [old] teammates are and my brother is. So either Boston or Vancouver, my hometown.
Rasmus Dahlin, Buffalo Sabres: Florida. Fort Lauderdale, Tampa; doesn’t matter. Just like being down there.
Carlson: Montreal. Great food. Feels a little bit different than the other cities, and the arena, with the history and the team, it’s a pretty special place to play.
Victor Hedman, Tampa Bay Lightning: Montreal. So many good memories there, and it always feels like I play good games there. Great food, too. Kind of reminds you of Europe a little bit, the way it’s laid out. And that’s where hockey was born. So Montreal is pretty cool.
Horvat: We’re in one — Vegas is always great. When I was playing on the West Coast [for Vancouver] I always loved going to New York, but now that feels like home. So I’d go with Vegas or Nashville.
Carlo: My favorites are probably when we get to go to the West Coast and do like L.A. and Anaheim. Especially when you’re in the middle of the winter, to go get some sunshine and hang out by the beach for a day, that’s nice.
Jack Hughes, New Jersey Devils: I’ll go with Chicago. I really enjoy it. Haven’t really played against Connor Bedard yet, though. I missed our game there this year [with an injury] and he broke his jaw [in the first period] against us, so that’s too bad.
Slavin: New York. They’ve got a lot of good food there. Favorite arenas to play in though are Vegas or Dallas.
Forsberg: Vegas. The Strip is cool. I’ve had some good games out here. And my wife has some family in the area too.
Shane Pinto, Ottawa Senators: I like Tampa. It’s sneaky nice there.
Suzuki: Nashville. I love country music and you can hang out there on the patios [listening].
Thomas: I’d say New York. I love food, I love trying new restaurants, and they’ve got the best restaurants in the world.
Keller: New York. I just like playing at MSG, and seeing all the teams out there, staying in the city. I’ve got some college buddies who live in town, some family, friends, things like that. So it’s always fun to go now.
Byfield: I’ve never had a bad time in New York. There’s a ton of good restaurants, good people and the building is awesome to play in. It’s so iconic, and the fans are great there too.
Radko Gudas, Anaheim Ducks: Vegas and Montreal. There’s always something to explore. Always something new. There are the places that I always go to, like Schwartz’s Deli for smoked meat in Montreal.
Connor Bedard, Chicago Blackhawks: Boston. With the history and everything, you walk around and it feels like you’re always seeing something cool.
Tippett: Dallas. The weather, the food; there’s always stuff to do there. You can golf if there’s a day off.
Johnston: Toronto, just because it’s home. Or Fort Lauderdale. You’re at the beach for a day. It’s awesome. It’s a nice little break from hockey.
What’s your favorite cheat meal?
Celebrini: My mom’s lasagna. She makes a really good lasagna.
Dahlin: Ice cream. Anything chocolate, cookie [flavor] or vanilla.
Horvat: Burger and fries, every time.
Slavin: Oh, a lot of them. I’m a huge sweets guy, so I love desserts like cookies and milk, molten lava cakes. But then for the meal itself, I could go for a good Five Guys burger.
Pinto: Chick-fil-A, easily. A spicy chicken sandwich, with a 12-count nuggets. And maybe a milkshake, depending if I skated that day.
Tippett: Cheesesteak, always.
Johnston: Classic cheeseburger and fries. Because you can’t go wrong with that.
Do you have any unique equipment quirks?
Celebrini: I don’t tape the toe or the full heel of my stick, which a lot of guys don’t really like. But I don’t know, it’s kind of worked for me. I’ve done it for a while now. I don’t know why I started doing it that way, but it’s been good.
Dahlin: I keep it very simple. Just tape my stick with a spiral up top and use black tape.
Slavin: I’m very habitual just in how I get dressed. I feel like I always put on my right side [gear] before my left side. So right shin pad before left shin pad, right skate before left skate. But if I were to do it the other way, I wouldn’t feel like I was going to play a bad game.
Forsberg: I don’t have anything too quirky. But as far as advancements [I’d like to see], it’d be cool to have a stick where you could switch curves, and be a lefty or a righty.
Keller: Well, I did have a thing with my elbow pads. I just recently stopped using those, but I had been using the same ones since I was 14 years old. Finally got a new pair of those.
How excited are you about the 4 Nations Face-Off?
Dahlin: It’s going to be fun. The team hasn’t been set, obviously, but if I make it, it’s for sure very up there for my bucket list. To be able to play with the best against the best, it’s something special.
Carlson: It’s great for hockey. Obviously, I want to and would love to play in it; representing your country is cool. It’s a different animal than what we’re used to. And it’s fun to play against some of your teammates, play with some of your opponents. It’ll be awesome.
Hedman: It’s going to be an unreal experience. Best-on-best hockey has been a long time coming [again]. It’s a little bit of a different format with only four teams, but nonetheless, every time you put on that three-crown jersey [for Sweden], you’re wearing it with pride. There’s going to be some good games and good hockey for sure.
Hughes: It’s definitely something you want to be a part of, for sure, with the [2026] Olympics coming up too. It’s a great honor to put the USA jersey back on.
Bedard: It’s great for the game of hockey. Great for everyone to see the best players in each [of those] countries going against each other. I think people are going to love watching it.
Keller: I think it’s super exciting. Anytime you can have that chance to represent your country, it’s the best feeling in the world. And hopefully I’m a part of that team. I’m looking forward to starting this season and seeing what happens.
Byfield: It’ll be super special. I played for Team Canada previously and have talked about that jersey’s honor. I have so many good memories of just watching Team Canada play in the Olympics. Seeing Sid [Crosby] score that famous goal [at the 2010 Games], that’s one of my favorite memories. So tournaments [like this] are always special.
Hintz: It’s going to be pretty special. I want to make the team to be there and represent our country well.
Who is the NHL’s most underrated player?
Dahlin: I feel like [Gustav] Forsling doesn’t get enough recognition.
Carlson: I want to say [Aleksander] Barkov. He still feels underrated somehow.
Horvat: Have to go with Brock Nelson. He’s a sneaky 30-plus goal scorer every single year and does a lot of really good stuff people don’t talk about.
Slavin: Forsling. I think he’s starting to get more attention after his playoffs that he had last year. There’s a lot more recognition, and he deserves it.
Byfield: Robert Thomas. He’s an exceptional player. The way that he can turn on a dime, find players. He’s one of the best passers I’ve ever seen. The things he can do on the ice are just pretty impressive.
Forsberg: Ryan O’Reilly. I knew how good he was, but seeing it every day [as a teammate], I think he’s still underrated. Like he has a Conn Smythe Trophy and everything, but I think all the stuff that he does, you need to see in person to really, really appreciate it.
Thomas: I’d say Pavel Buchnevich. He really is one of [St. Louis’] best players; he can change games for us, and even though his English is a little broken, he’s one of the funnier guys you’ll find.
Gudas: Jonathan Drouin, for sure.
What was your favorite memory of the Summer Olympics?
Dahlin: I don’t know what you call it in English, but you put a big stick in the ground and jump over it? [Pole vault?] Yes, pole vault. Because [Swedish vaulter] Mondo Duplantis is the best one and wins every year so it’s cool to watch him do his thing.
Hedman: I didn’t watch a whole lot, to be honest. I don’t watch TV in the summertime. But I did watch Mondo Duplantis and that was just goosebumps.
Horvat: Oh yeah, I watched a couple things. The viral breakdancer [Rachael Gunn] definitely stood out. But other than that, I just love watching the sprinting, the track guys and stuff like that. I think it’s really cool what they can do.
Slavin: I thought the speed climbing was crazy. That was insane. I was sitting there watching with my wife, and she was like, ‘Is that rope pulling them up the wall?’ Because it kind of looks like it. Just so crazy and fun to see. And the track and field; I find the sprints fun to watch.
Keller: I’m a basketball guy, so I liked seeing all those [Team USA] superstars and legends play together and win the gold medal. That was pretty special for me to watch.
Byfield: Yeah, I tried to watch as much I could. Always like to see the Canadians win. Saw the Canadian swimmers all being successful, a lot of gold medals for us [all around]. It was great to watch.
Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton Oilers: I did go [to Paris]. My sister’s husband played in the gold medal game for field hockey so I went to that. It was great match. [Germany] unfortunately lost [to the Netherlands], but still a silver medal for him, which is pretty cool.
What are your thoughts on Utah?
Hedman: I’m just looking for a good visitors’ locker room. That’s the bottom line. But no, that’s going to be cool, I’ve never been to Salt Lake. It looks beautiful in pictures. I’ve been talking to [ex-teammate] Mikhail Sergachev and he’s super excited being out there so I’m happy for him too.
Pinto: I’m actually pretty excited for it. Their jerseys are obviously really cool. And I think it’ll be better than the whole Arizona situation was last year.
Thomas: Really exciting. Just looking at how much fun it was to go play in Vegas and Seattle, it’ll be really nice to have another hungry hockey town that’s ready to welcome the NHL. It’ll be a lot of fun.
Why are hockey players drawn to golf?
Thomas: You’re away from your friends and family a lot during the season, so it’s a good way to connect with them. I think the hand-eye coordination is pretty similar, so a lot of us are pretty solid at golf. It’s just a good way to relax. And it’s always a hard sport that you can’t seem to always get good at. So I think we like the challenge.
Byfield: I played so much golf this summer, and it’s just because I work out so early in the morning. It’s like you’re doing that at 6 a.m. and then I’m done everything by 10. It’s almost a time consumer at that point. But it’s also just so fun, because it’s so hard. You can be great one day, and the next day, you’ve just lost it. So it’s very challenging and I like the challenge.
Draisaitl: I think there are some similarities between the sports. And then the contrast of the go, go, go type of way that we have in our everyday work when it comes to our sport, with the more relaxed way golf can be. It evens out a little bit. I think guys like that aspect.
Brock Faber, Minnesota Wild: In the offseason a lot of training is done semi-early in the day, at least Monday through Friday, so you’re done at a reasonable time. You have all day to do something, and golf or pickleball or tennis — those activities attract a lot of hockey players [to fill that time].
Johnston: It’s somewhat similar to hockey in terms of you’re holding a stick, trying to hit a puck or a ball. And it just lines up, seasons-wise. You’re done [with] hockey by the spring, and that’s the start of the golf season, and then you’re going back to hockey in the fall when golf is ending around the colder climates. And I think it’s just great to get outside. I think everyone enjoys that part of it and guys love being able to do it with their friends, too.
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Our trade proposals that would rock MLB’s winter meetings
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Baseball’s winter meetings are just around the corner, and we’re ready for some blockbuster deals.
We’ve already seen some intriguing trades this offseason with the New York Mets acquiring Marcus Semien from the Texas Rangers for Brandon Nimmo and the Boston Red Sox adding Sonny Gray to their pitching staff — but there are even bigger stars who could move in the weeks ahead.
With that in mind, we asked our MLB insiders to give us their preferred destination for some of the biggest names in our ranking of the top 25 MLB offseason trade candidates.
Where did we send All-Stars Ketel Marte and Byron Buxton? Which Red Sox outfielder is on the move in our deals? And which contenders get starting pitching help? Let’s find out.
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The Arizona Diamondbacks should trade Ketel Marte to the …
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The Mariners plucked from the D-backs to jolt their offense just five months ago, acquiring corner infielders Eugenio Suarez and Josh Naylor. They should do so again, this time for Marte, the star second baseman who can be had for the right return. The Mariners have a need for another bat, and Marte would represent a massive upgrade over merely re-signing Suarez or Jorge Polanco.
Marte would slide in perfectly ahead of fellow All-Stars Julio Rodriguez and Cal Raleigh, allowing Randy Arozarena to join Naylor in the middle of the lineup and giving Seattle arguably the best offense in the American League — to pair with what is likely the best pitching staff.
Coming off a gut-wrenching loss in Game 7 of the American League Championship Series, it’s the perfect move to push the M’s toward the first World Series berth in franchise history. And whether it’s Cole Young, Michael Arroyo or Felnin Celesten, the Mariners might have enough young, promising middle infielders to satisfy the D-backs’ likely desire for a Marte replacement without parting with Colt Emerson. — Alden Gonzalez
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Boston Red Sox for Jarren Duran and Kyson Witherspoon
Roman Anthony‘s 2025 breakout rendered Duran expendable in an outfield already staffed by Ceddanne Rafaela and Wilyer Abreu, both of whom offer more remaining team control. And with presumed second-baseman-of-the-future Kristian Campbell struggling as a rookie (86 OPS+, -1.0 WAR), the door swung open for a move of this magnitude.
Duran’s proclivity for doubles and triples will play beautifully in Arizona (just ask Corbin Carroll), and Witherspoon, the No. 15 pick in the 2025 MLB draft, instantly becomes the club’s best pitching prospect. — Paul Hembekides
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The Red Sox should trade Duran to the Philadelphia Phillies for a package including Alec Bohm
These lightning-rod players certainly are not coming off their best seasons and perhaps each needs the proverbial change of scenery. The Red Sox may need someone to play third base, and Bohm, while no match for Alex Bregman, is a capable hitter and defender. The Phillies could then get a more consistent third baseman who enjoys playing in Philadelphia. Duran would fill Philadelphia’s center-field need, and it would create some opportunity in a crowded Boston outfield. See, trades can work out for both teams! — Eric Karabell
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The Cleveland Guardians should trade Steven Kwan to the Mariners
I love this idea so much. Kwan would return to the West Coast, about a four-hour drive from Corvallis, where he starred for Oregon State. He would give the Mariners a needed upgrade at a corner outfield spot, teaming with Julio Rodriguez to improve Seattle’s outfield defense. Most importantly, he could slide into the leadoff spot, offering contact and OBP as a poor man’s Ichiro, hitting in front of Cal Raleigh, Rodriguez and his old Cleveland teammate, Josh Naylor. Let’s get this done. — Bradford Doolittle
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The Chicago White Sox should trade Luis Robert to the …
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Rumor mill whispering has connected the Royals with Boston’s Jarren Duran for the hefty price of Cole Ragans, a swap I can’t abide. The Royals have starting pitching depth, but they don’t have ace depth and Ragans must stay. Duran isn’t an ideal defensive fit for Kauffman Stadium if you view him as a center fielder, and the Royals need to upgrade at that spot badly.
Enter Robert, whose work on strike zone judgment seemed to be paying off in the latter stages of last season. He’s younger than Duran and has more power upside without sacrificing speed and defense. The Royals’ new hitting staff is hyper-focused on improving pitch recognition, and I’d love for them to be new voices in Robert’s ear. The Royals could keep Ragans and modulate their rotation/prospect return based on Chicago’s willingness to pay down some of Robert’s $20 million for next season. Alas, this would be more palatable from a payroll perspective if the Royals had not already committed $8 million to run it back with Jonathan India. — Doolittle
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Philadelphia Phillies
It’s time. Time for Robert to find a new home and time for the Phillies to mix up the vibe a little. It’s possible that last season proved to be Robert’s current floor — good defense and 33 stolen bases will help teams win games. But it’s also just as possible the ceiling is still within reach after years of underachieving. First off, getting away from the Sox did wonders for Gavin Sheets and Andrew Vaughn. The same could be true of Robert if he moves on, especially since he’s finally cutting his chase rate down.
Now put him in a good lineup with even better pitches to see — and perhaps a little more pressure to perform — and the Philles could just get the best version of him. He has hit 28 homers in a season. He hit .338 in another (partial year). Put it all together and he might turn into a steal. — Jesse Rogers
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The Minnesota Twins should trade …
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Byron Buxton to the Los Angeles Dodgers
This falls into the “Why? Because they can, that’s why” category. Enough is never enough for the Dodgers, so this offseason’s installment of making sure they have too much is the acquisition of the best available player at the position they may actually believe they need to upgrade. Move Andy Pages to left, slot Buxton into the top half of the lineup and go for three in a row. — Tim Keown
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Joe Ryan and Ryan Jeffers to the New York Yankees
Ryan was a popular name at the trade deadline, and he’s popular again coming off an All-Star season with a rebuilding team and two years of team control remaining. The Yankees don’t need another front-line starter, but Ryan would give them some rotation stability early in the season with Gerrit Cole and Carlos Rodon (and Clarke Schmidt) on the injured list, and he would supply insurance should Cole or Rodón return later than usual or struggle upon return. And as these front offices like to say: You can never have enough starting pitching.
Jeffers would quench the Yankees’ need for a right-handed-hitting catcher after carrying three left-handed-hitting catchers for most of the 2025 season. He would platoon with Austin Wells and allow the Yankees to move Ben Rice, also a left-handed hitter, to first base full time. — Jorge Castillo
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The Miami Marlins should trade Edward Cabrera to the New York Yankees for Jasson Dominguez If the Yankees are truly focused on keeping their payroll in check, they’ll need to be creative in how they address their roster shortcomings. Presuming that the team re-signs Cody Bellinger, the Yankees will already have spent a majority of their available free agent budget, and have rendered Dominguez excess with top prospect Spencer Jones also an in-season debut candidate. Dominguez is the kind of high-ceiling youngster the Marlins should be targeting.
Cabrera is a talented, albeit injury-prone, starter who can provide critical rotation depth while the team waits for the healthy returns of Gerrit Cole, Carlos Rodon and Clarke Schmidt. Dominguez’s two additional years of team control might make this a slight overpay for the Yankees, but Cabrera’s projected $3.7 million salary via arbitration could make him an ideal, budget-conscious acquisition. — Tristan Cockcroft
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The Miami Marlins should trade Sandy Alcantara to the Athletics
Alcantara’s return from Tommy John surgery was a disaster in the first half of the season, as he entered the All-Star break with an ERA over 7.00. That made him untradeable; it made no sense for the Marlins to deal him at the trade deadline with his value at a low point. Alcantara found his groove over his final 12 starts, however, posting a 3.13 ERA with 69 strikeouts versus 18 walks over 77 innings. That is a pitcher you can trade.
The A’s finished 26th in rotation ERA in 2025. The rotation did struggle at home with a 5.52 ERA in Sacramento, so that led to inflated ERAs, but their only two returning starters with more than 100 innings are Jeffrey Springs (4.11 ERA) and Luis Severino (4.54 ERA). It will be difficult for the A’s to lure a decent free agent starter to Sacramento — they had to overpay to sign Severino — so a trade makes sense. Alcantara is signed to a reasonable $17.3 million for 2026 with a $21 million club option for 2027, which even the A’s can afford.
With the Nick Kurtz-led offense, the A’s will score runs. If they can build out the rotation and bullpen, they have the look of 2026’s sleeper playoff team. Their farm system is improved and they have low-salaried pitching depth with guys like Mason Barnett and Jack Perkins to throw back Miami’s way. — David Schoenfield
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The Washington Nationals should trade MacKenzie Gore to the Baltimore Orioles
Gore hasn’t quite made the jump to front-line starter. But he has some qualities in common with higher slot lefties who are front-line types, like Blake Snell and Max Fried, so there could be another gear to be teased out. He also comes with two years of control and his arbitration number this year should land around $5 million.
In return, the Orioles can send a prospect package featuring OFs Slater de Brun and Austin Overn and RHPs Esteban Mejia and J.T. Quinn to the Nationals. Baltimore doesn’t have to include C Samuel Basallo and can probably hang onto OF Dylan Beavers, as well. I have the Nats opting for a larger package of players that includes what I think will be the sorts of prospects we’ll see new president of baseball operations Paul Toboni target. It helps new execs coming from the draft side of evaluation to target recent draftees, with de Brun and Quinn from the 2025 draft and Overn from the 2024 draft. — Kiley McDaniel
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The Pittsburgh Pirates should trade Mitch Keller to the San Francisco Giants
The Giants churned through 15 starting pitchers in 2025 and return only three who made more than 10 starts (Logan Webb, Robbie Ray and Landen Roupp), leaving two slots to fill aside from the depth that is required in this era. Hayden Birdsong and Carson Whisenhunt are the top internal candidates, but adding a veteran starter for stability looks like an offseason necessity.
Keller is signed for three more years at an AAV of about $18.5 million. His biggest strength has been durability and consistency, making at least 29 starts four seasons in a row and averaging 183 innings and 2.1 WAR the past three seasons. His strikeout rate has declined from 25.5% to 20.0% since 2023, so that’s a minor cause for concern, but moving to the Giants, with better defense behind him and a stellar catcher in Patrick Bailey should help lower his batting average allowed.
Do the Pirates have enough rotation depth to trade Keller? Probably not, but they do have Paul Skenes, Mike Burrows, Braxton Ashcraft, Johan Oviedo and Bubba Chandler, plus Jared Jones returning from injury, so there at least is the makings of an exciting young rotation even without Keller. They need power, however, so the ask from the Giants would be their top prospect, first baseman Bryce Eldridge.
Too steep for the Giants? Perhaps. Eldridge has 35-homer potential and has produced while being very young for his levels, reaching Triple-A in 2025 at just 20 years old. He does have some holes in his game, with a 3-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio, he struggled against breaking balls from left-handers, he has below-average speed and his defense at first base is fringy, so he might be a DH with Rafael Devers playing first. The power is real — enough for the Pirates to gamble on and also real enough that he’ll be difficult to pry away from the Giants. — Schoenfield
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A final farewell to Lane Kiffin and the rest of the Bottom 10
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Inspirational thought of the week:
Hang on to your hopes, my friend
That’s an easy thing to say
But if your hopes should pass away
Simply pretend that you can build them again
Look around
The grass is high
The fields are ripe
It’s the springtime of my life
Seasons change with the scenery
Weavin’ time in a tapestry
Won’t you stop and remember me?
Look around
Leaves are brown
And the sky is a hazy shade of winter
— “Hazy Shade of Winter” by Simon & Garfunkel (or The Bangles, depending on how old you are)
Here at Bottom 10 Headquarters, located behind the bank of telephones used to raise money for the “Free Marty Smith From Oxford” fund, we once again look at the calendar and realize that it is conference championship weekend, which means it’s time for the Bottom 10 to make like Lane Kiffin and run for the exit amid a shower of boos and middle fingers.
The #Bottom10 Selection Committee is currently in session to determine the final 2025 rankings, to be revealed Wednesday morning. pic.twitter.com/WdIvj25gNW
— Ryan McGee (@ESPNMcGee) December 2, 2025
Due to an unprecedented coaching carousel that was so bonkers we’ve renamed it the Coaching Tilt-A-Whirl, the candidates list for this year’s Bottom 10 Selection Committee grew faster than Brian Kelly’s lawyers’ billable hours invoice. The final roster: me, my dad, Captain Morgan (aka my stepdad), Mike Gundy, current Northwest Oklahoma defensive coordinator Jerry Glanville and former Texas State Armadillos head coach Ed “Straight Arrow” Gennero. As our vote began, we were joined by Sam Pittman, who pulled up to our meeting spot, a truck stop behind the Gaylord Texan where the fancy-schmancy CFP committee was gathered, behind the wheel of a shoebox Winnebago blasting Skynyrd and towing a pontoon boat upon which the name “S.S. YESSIR” was airbrushed.
Once again, we leaned on our Bottom 10 FPI formula. No, not the ESPN Football Power Index, but rather the Faux Pas Index. Because everyone loves math.
Teams receive one point for each win, minus one point for each loss, minus one point for each loss of their longest losing streak of the year, plus a minus-10 bonus if that longest losing streak is currently active. We also subtract the number of points they have surrendered on the season from the number of points they scored, subtract or add points based on their season turnover margin and subtract their weakness of schedule (WoS) ranking. If a team fired its head coach, that earns a 50-point subtraction, aka the Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus.
Divide all of that by the number of games played, and there’s your Bottom 10 FPI score. Because it’s hard numbers, the results are indisputable. And by hard numbers we mean that we made the formula so badly complicated that it’s too hard to dispute because it’s not worth wasting the effort to do so.
With apologies to Tennessee wide receiver Deon Hardin, Mizzou running back Ahmad Hardy, Rice running back D’Andre Hardeman Jr. and Steve Harvey, here’s the final 2025 Bottom 10 rankings.

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Wins: +0
Losses: -12
Longest losing streak: -12 (current -10)
Point differential: -330 (133 for, 463 against)
Turnover margin: -7
WoS: -91
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: N/A
Total: -450
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -37.5
The Minuetmen had their wet hay in the barn a full week early, having played their final game of the season on the Tuesday afternoon prior to Thanksgiving. Once they got that hay into the barn, they remembered that the Salem witch trials took place in Massachusetts and they immediately burned that barn down in an effort to exorcise their Bottom 10 demons.
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Wins: +2
Losses: -10
Longest losing streak: -8
Point differential: -241 (213 for, 454 against)
Turnover margin: +2
WoS: -104
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: N/A
Total: -359
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -29.9
The Bearkats kompiled a two-win kampaign, but still katapulted kompletely over kontenders who had only one win. How did they akkomplish that? Bekause of a krappy strength of skedule and a defense too frekwently skored upon.
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Wins: +1
Losses: -11
Longest losing streak: -11 (current -10)
Point differential: -230 (170 for, 400 against)
Turnover margin: -5
WoS: -30
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: -50
Total: -346
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -28.8
Many people in the greater Stillwater area had told me that I didn’t have the Kowboys, er, sorry, Cowboys ranked low enough. When we did the FPI math, it backed up those complainers with the same amount of force that it backed down their team.
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Wins: +1
Losses: -11
Longest losing streak: -9 (current -10)
Point differential: -217 (237 for, 454 against)
Turnover margin: -11
WoS: -66
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: N/A
Total: -323
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -26.9
Just as the arithmetic hurt OSU, it helped GSU, which jumped/fell from No. 2 to No. 4. That might not seem like much, but for a team that last won a game more than 80 days ago, you’ll take whatever good news you can get.
5. The Lane Train
Marty said if I didn’t have Kiffin in the Coveted Fifth Spot again this week he would beat me over the head with the turkey leg he wasn’t able to eat with his family on Thanksgiving because he had to go to Oxford and hold a microphone instead.
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Wins: +2
Losses: -10
Longest losing streak: -6 (current -10)
Point differential: -148 (222 for, 370 against)
Turnover margin: -4
WoS: -90
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: -50
Total: -316
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -26.3
Easily, the most vocal “How can we not be ranked?!” #Bottom10Lobbying crowd of 2025 was Rams Nation. And when we did the math, they were proved right as Colorado State leapt like a ram from a rock formation off the Waiting List into the canyon of nearly the top/bottom five. Now they have hired professional Bottom 10 rehabilitation specialist Jim Mora, who totally ruined what used to be the Bottom 10’s version of Chiefs vs. Eagles, UMess vs. U-Can’t, by inexplicably turning the Huskies into winners.
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Wins: +1
Losses: -11
Longest losing streak: -9 (current -10)
Point differential: -264 (172 for, 436 against)
Turnover margin: -8
WoS: -70
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: N/A
Total: -271
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -22.5833333
Niners officials reached out to the Bottom 10 committee to see if perhaps they might receive bonus cool points for the fact that their record was 1-9 when Georgia paid them $1.9 million to play “between the hedges.” We told them no, but only after reaching out to UNCC math professors, who assured us that the laws of natural numerical law would not allow us to add something called “cool points” to something called a “Faux Pas Index.” Speaking of math, Charlotte also is now part of a Bottom 10 FPI first, a numerical tie! With whom … ?
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Wins: +2
Losses: -10
Longest losing streak: -7
Point differential: -135 (218 for, 353 against)
Turnover margin: -11
WoS: -60
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: -50
Total: -271
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -22.5833333
It should be no surprise that the Beavers would be in some weird spot here after spending their entire season stuck in a bizarro Bottom 10 vortex. They won the tiebreaker with Charlotte via one common opponent, Appalachian State. The Niners lost at home to the Mountaineers 34-11, while the Beavs lost in Boone by only four points. One of only a pair of members of the 2Pac conference, Oregon State had already beaten its only league colleague, Warshington State, in Week 10, but then immediately lost to Sam Houston. Then all the Beavers had to do was beat Wazzu again to depart these rankings for good, but they lost 32-8. Now they will do like all beavers and spend the winter not hibernating, but packed into a mud lodge with other beavers, shivering and seeing who has to swim out under the ice to get food. In related news, that’s also how we on the Bottom 10 Selection Committee spent this week. We sent Mike Gundy out to get the food because his haircut totally looks like a beaver.
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Wins: +2
Losses: -10
Longest losing streak: -5 (current -10)
Point differential: -85 (280 for, 365 against)
Turnover margin: -12
WoS: -109
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: N/A
Total: -229
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -19.1
Representatives of the Minors crashed our committee meeting to remind us that while they understood they would likely have to be ranked, no matter what the math said, they had to be ranked above/below Sam Houston because they beat the Bearkats head-to-head. But we didn’t hear any of that because when we say they crashed our meeting, they literally crashed our meeting. Paydirt Pete had to use his pickax to pry the UTEP conversion van free from where it ran into the trailer carrying Pittman’s pontoon boat.
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Wins: +2
Losses: -10
Longest losing streak: -10
Point differential: -88 (305 for, 393 against)
Turnover margin: -9
WoS: -54
Randy Edsall Fired Coach Bonus: N/A
Total: -169
Games played: 12
Final Bottom 10 Faux Pas Index: -14.08
The Golden Beagles were in a Bottom 10 peloton to the finish line, which was more like that scene at Oklahoma a few weeks ago when the Sooners got lost in the smoke of their stadium entrance and fell over each other, piling up like firewood for winter. In the end, Arkansaw and Pur-don’t received too big of a Power 4 WoS boost, while Muddled Tennessee and No-vada both had the audacity to win two out of their final three games, hitting the Raise Hell Praise Dale 3-victory mark and moving out of the running. We started to do the FPI math on a few other teams, but when the batteries ran out in our Texas Instruments calculator, Coach Pittman, relieved his former Hogs missed the final cut, announced, “I’ll go to the store, but it won’t be to buy batteries. It’ll be to buy beer.” Meeting adjourned.
Waiting List: Arkansaw Fightin’ Former Petrinos, No-vada, San No-sé State, Pur-don’t, Muddled Tennessee State, Northern Ill-ugh-noise, ULM (pronounced “Uhlm”), conference tiebreakers that require slide rules.
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Hamlin: Team couldn’t survive under charter deal
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Dec 2, 2025, 02:46 PM ET
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Three-time Daytona 500 winner Denny Hamlin outlined the precarious situation facing NASCAR teams, testifying Tuesday in the federal antitrust trial against the stock car series that the race team he co-owns spent more than $700,000 to the series in 2022 alone and how agreeing to its charter proposal last fall would have been like signing his own “death certificate.”
Hamlin was the first witness called when testimony began Monday in the antitrust case brought by 23XI Racing, which is owned by Hamlin and Basketball Hall of Famer Michael Jordan, and Front Row Motorsports, owned by fast-food franchiser Bob Jenkins. The two teams contend that NASCAR is a monopoly that has handcuffed teams with a no-win revenue model.
Hamlin returned to the stand for more than three hours and was asked about line items in 23XI Racing’s budget. He noted how more than $703,000 three years ago was spent on costs to NASCAR ranging from entry fees, credentials for team members to enter the track and even access to Internet signals. He also said he and Jordan spent $100 million to build 23XI and “all it takes is one sponsor to go away and all our profit is gone.”
All 15 of NASCAR’s teams had been vocal for over two years that the last charter agreement made it impossible for them to turn a profit and they demanded four changes in prolonged negotiations. When the final offer came from NASCAR and lacked most of what the teams asked for, 23XI and Front Row refused to sign and instead sued.
23XI has turned a profit in all but one of its five seasons, but its financial success is largely a product of Jordan’s star power drawing top-dollar sponsors. Plaintiffs’ attorney Jeffery Kessler told the jury Monday that a NASCAR-commissioned study found that 75% of teams lost money in 2024.
Hamlin testified that the TV deal NASCAR signed ahead of the 2025 season has not been a boon to race teams because of a shift toward streaming services and big-ticket sponsors want to be on television. He also referred to a meeting with NASCAR chairman Jim France, who indicated teams are spending too much and it should only cost $10 million per car. Hamlin testified it costs $20 million.
“We cannot cut more. Tell me how to get my investment back? He had no answer,” Hamlin said.
As for refusing to sign the charter agreements last fall, Hamlin said the last-ditch proposal from NASCAR “had eight points minimum that needed to be changed. When we pointed that out we were told ‘Negotiations are closed.'”
“I didn’t sign because I knew this was my death certificate for the future,” he said, later adding: “I have spent 20 years trying to make this sport grow as a driver and for the last five years as a team owner. 23XI is doing our part. You can’t have someone treat you this unfairly and I knew It wasn’t right. They were wrong and someone needed to be held accountable.”
Under cross-examination, Hamlin was asked why he paints a rosier picture of NASCAR on podcast appearances. He replied that he is regurgitating NASCAR talking points because any negative comments can lead to retribution.
“You can take all my things out of context and paint a picture that everything is fine,” he said. “The reality is, (being) negative affects me in (technical inspection), getting called to the hauler, NASCAR not liking what I said.”
The trial is expected to last two weeks.
NASCAR is owned and operated by the Florida-based France family, which founded the series in 1948. Kessler said over a three-year period almost $400 million was paid to the France Family Trust and a 2023 evaluation by Goldman Sachs found NASCAR to be worth $5 billion. The pretrial discovery process revealed NASCAR made more than $100 million in 2024, while Jenkins testified in a deposition he has lost $60 million over the last decade and $100 million since starting his team in 2004.
NASCAR contends it is doing nothing wrong and has not restrained trade or commerce by its teams. The series says the original charters were given for free to teams when the system was created in 2016 and the demand for them created a market of $1.5 billion in equity for chartered organizations.
Hamlin countered that 11 of the original 19 chartered organizations are out of business; all three of 23XI’s charters came from teams that ceased operations. NASCAR also said each chartered car now receives a guaranteed $12.5 million in annual revenue, up from $9 million. Hamlin testified it costs $20 million to bring a single car to the track for all 38 races and that figure does not include any overhead, operating costs or a driver’s salary.
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